An overview of the UT McCombs MBA program and what you need to know to get accepted [Show Summary]
Rodrigo Malta, UT Austin’s Director of Admissions highlights key factors that make the UT McCombs full time MBA program attractive to many. He discusses what students can expect from a virtual admissions process and gives tips he’s gleaned from his 10+ years in his role.
Interview with Rodrigo Malta, Managing Director, MBA Recruitment and Admissions at UT McCombs [Show Notes]
Welcome to the 452nd episode of Admissions Straight Talk. Thanks for listening. Are you debating whether to apply during Round 3 of this year or Round 1 of next year? It’s a great question, and there are pros and cons to each position. Join me on January 20th at 10:00 AM Pacific, 1:00 PM Eastern for our next MBA Admissions webinar when I’m going to dive deep into who should apply Round 3 and who would be better off waiting until next year. You can reserve your free seat for this webinar, our first MBA webinar of 2022 at accepted.com/round3.
It gives me great pleasure to have, for the first time on Admissions Straight Talk, Rodrigo Malta, Managing Director, MBA Recruitment and Admissions at UT Austin McCombs. Rodrigo earned his bachelor’s at Missouri State and his MBA from UT Austin McCombs in 2007. He started working in MBA admissions at McCombs in 2008 and became the Managing Director in 2010. In addition to his duties at UT Austin, Rodrigo is a member of the Board of Trustees of The Consortium for Graduate Study in Management, of Salesforce’s Recruitment and the Admissions Advisory Council and he’s also UT’s representative on the Graduate Management Admission Council. Rodrigo, welcome to Admissions Straight Talk. It’s a pleasure to have you on the show.
Can you give us a basic overview of the full-time MBA program at UT, focusing on its more distinctive elements? [2:29]
Thank you, Linda, for giving me the opportunity to share a little bit about Texas McCombs. I’m going to speak and share information primarily about our two-year MBA program at our Austin, Texas, campus.
For the full-time MBA program in particular, I think there are three distinctive elements that I would like the listeners to know about as they’re considering different business schools to pursue their studies.
First, it’s a highly flexible and deep curriculum that we have for our full-time MBA students. So coming in, we bring in a class of about 260 students from a variety of walks of life and educational and professional backgrounds. It is really important for us to ensure they have kind of that core business foundation, the core classes. You do all your core classes, the majority of that first semester, together in cohorts. We divide those 260 students into four cohorts, and everybody gets that solid academic business foundation to then explore 100+ electives that we have across 20 concentrations in classes that you can take at the business school and outside the business school. This highly flexible and deep curriculum where over 70% of the program itself is self-selected coursework is one of the highlights of our program.
The second highlight that I want to share with the listeners are the people. We have amazing individuals pursuing their dreams here at Texas McCombs and amazing faculty members that are going to be supporting you along the way. The combination of the amazing research faculty that is not only creating knowledge, but disseminating it in a really great way in the classroom with students that are thirsty to know more, to make an impact, and the staff that’s going to be there to really advise you and help you navigate all the opportunities of Texas McCombs is really important. So the people are number two.
And the last aspect is place. We are really fortunate to be part of one of the primary research institutions in the US at the University of Texas at Austin. It is even luckier that we are in the amazing city of Austin which provides our students with the vibrant business community to put to practice what they’re learning in the classroom, but it’s also an amazing place to live. It is a great place where young people are flocking to, and it’s something that really provides a unique combination of study and fun for our students.
So that flexible, deep curriculum, people, and place, are what really makes the Texas McCombs full-time MBA program unique.
Of course UT, along with the rest of the entire world, has been affected by COVID. What changes do you see lasting going forward? [5:50]
That’s a great question. I will start that with everything that we do at UT Austin, the health and safety of our students, faculty, staff members are top of mind. And with that as a lens and a goal, we are really happy that we were able to do in-person delivery of all of our programs for the fall. We not only delivered classes in person, our student organizations were able to meet in person, and we even had some admission events on campus during late November.
It was great to see prospective students coming into our new building and really experiencing the program firsthand. I’m really proud of how our students came together with our faculty and staff to make that possible. For those experiences to be delivered in a safe manner where everybody felt really comfortable and they were able to be delivered successfully.
I think a couple things that will continue to be aspects of the COVID experience that we’ll take on as, hopefully, COVID winds down a little will include virtual advising appointments. These were really a big hit with staff and students alike, and just generally the ability of our students to virtually connect with our staff and faculty via Microsoft Teams. I think other schools might use Slack, but it’s really a way for folks to feel engaged in a part of a community, even kind of in a virtual world. From an admissions perspective, we were able to come in and deliver a really solid incoming class with only virtual events, so the class that came in fall of 2021, they didn’t have the opportunity to come for in-person events. We were able, though, to tell them McComb’s story and engage with prospective students in a successful manner virtually, so we’ll see a lot of those engagement opportunities lasting even beyond when we are back to, hopefully, a more normal experience.
It is a situation that is ever changing, ever evolving. We understand that the situation that might be happening in Austin may be very different from what’s happening in New York or New Delhi or Sao Paulo, so we completely understand that applicants and prospective students are coming in with different mindsets and different situations.
What I urge all your listeners to do is to reach out to us. We’re incredibly accessible via email, via LinkedIn, via a telephone call. We are here to help you and engage with you and make sure that you can submit that successful application, so engage with us. We know that COVID is not going to be resolved in one fell swoop, but I am hopeful that we’re able to take some of the learnings in the past year-and-a-half, and especially what happens this fall and take that momentum on for the spring.
When we arrive at a point in time where COVID is considered manageable, do you anticipate a combination of virtual and in-person recruiting events? [9:54]
For sure. I think as we come back to in-person events, we want to keep the successful virtual opportunities that were available and well received by prospective students and really think about where the value-add is of that in person touch point. Before we used to go on the road quite often, all over the world, early on in the admission season, then to interview candidates and then to do admitted student events. Now what we’re thinking about on top of the funnel when we’re sharing general admissions information, we can reach a lot more people by hosting a virtual coffee chat. I have a standing coffee chat every week that I have 60 people join at a time and we have great conversations, so I’m reaching a lot of more folks this way, but there’s also very often coming to experience the on-campus, what Texas has access to offer on campus.
Coming to our new building and figuring out what the culture is like, and having that in-person experience is really important, so let’s focus on those on-campus events, but in the same token, we’re a global program, so we need to connect with people internationally. So when is it the right time to go to India or go to Europe or go to Africa and connect with those students? We’re thinking about what that looks like and I think, as we figure out what that may entail, we will for sure seek feedback from our prospective students and applicants to see what’s the best ratio of events.
I will say that our admissions teams have been working so hard. We always want to do everything and we can’t do everything, so it will be really hard figuring out what we don’t do any more.
UT has several dual degree programs, including an Asian Studies, Global Policy Studies, Latin American Studies, Middle Eastern Studies and Russian Eastern European and Eurasian Studies. I’m guessing that travel was an important part of these dual degree programs. Is UT McCombs starting to travel again? [12:47]
I’ll say that one thing that all those dual degree programs have in common is that I want to visit all of those places where the focused geographical areas for those studies are. Sign me up for every single one of those trips when we can travel again.
For our programs here at UT, we had a few students travel to national conferences like National Black MBA, for example, for Hispanic as well, the ones that were delivered in-person. We actually had a few exchange students that were able to come to us, and mostly from Europe in this fall as well, so we’re starting to pick up some of that travel. And most recently, our part-time MBA program just last week went on their global trips.
There were seven trips and we took 150 students abroad, so those opportunities are starting to open up. I think the Texas McCombs MBA program is the trailblazer within UT. We were the first ones to take students back abroad in that manner, and the current plans for our full-time MBA program in particular is to deliver five global study tours over spring break, which is what we normally do and reignite the exchange programs in the other way around, so not only welcome our exchange students from partner universities, but right now the plan is to send close to 25 students abroad for the spring.
Again, with the COVID situation, everything is extremely fluid. Even though those part-time MBA global trips, we had to cancel one of the trips at the last minute. There were eight trips and we had to cancel one. We keep a really close eye on what the situation is like, and we prepare students for all scenarios. But I agree with you, Linda, when you said, I wish and hope that COVID is eradicated, but I think in the near term it’s something that we’re going to have to learn to live with.
We want to deliver the best academic experience to our students, and we believe that global exposure is a key part of the MBA education, so we want to make our best attempt to deliver those experiences. On the admission side of the house, we’re beginning to travel domestically a little bit. We have a few administrative meet-ups for Round 1 that will happen in January in New York, San Francisco, Chicago and the main Texas cities. We look forward to starting to travel again, maybe a little bit more starting in the spring, as well.
Is there something that people don’t know about McCombs that you’d really like them to know, or perhaps a common misconception you’d like to dispel? [17:55]
There are two that I often talk about because I get questions about this all the time when I host a virtual chat, or if we’re doing an info session. Oftentimes prospective students think about McCombs being a very regional school, but we do have a global brand in Texas McCombs and the Texas Longhorns in Austin. We place not only a lot of individuals in Texas as you’d expect, but outside of Texas as well. We actually place more students outside of our home state than our comparable programs in New York and California.
We are really lucky to be in Austin, which is a place where people like to be and also we place a lot of students in Dallas and Houston. We do place a good amount of students outside of the state of Texas, so we love our Texas residents that go to UT, but we welcome individuals from outside of Texas and all over the world. You don’t have to stay in Texas. You carry that brand with you, and you’re going to be an honorary Austinite and Texan wherever you go after you graduate, but we do have a lot of connections and opportunities for individuals to go beyond the state borders after graduation.
Outside of Texas, where are the primary places that UT grads go? [19:27]
We place quite a few folks in New York, primarily in the banking sector, some consulting. We also place pretty strongly in the Bay Area, primarily in the technology sector. As of late, we have been placing a lot of folks in Seattle, Denver, and Chicago to a lesser extent, so a variety of different places. I think one of the things that has happened, though, in the past five years is that the number of our students that want to stay in Austin has increased dramatically. I think Austin’s been in the news for relocations of headquarters and opportunities and different industries, so we’re happy to see Austin now has the infrastructure and opportunities to support the students who want to be here, but we continue to, of course, place students outside of the city of Austin.
The other misconception is also around career and placement, but it’s more specific to industry. Oftentimes people associate Texas with oil and gas, and I would say to your listeners that we are, if not the best, one of the best places in the country to pursue your studies in energy, but we go beyond the traditional oil and gas field. There’s great balance between traditional oil and gas communities that are available to our students, but we see the growing field of clean technology be a really strong area of interest for individuals that are interested in energy that don’t want to work in oil and gas. We have a CleanTech concentration that mirrors our energy, finance concentration that really focuses on solar and wind in that clean technology space is something that I would like all your listeners to be aware of. Our biggest placement continues to be tech, so over 30% of the class goes into tech, followed by consulting at 20%, and then energy is close to 10% of our placement, but it’s more than just oil and gas.
I always think of entrepreneurship in terms of UT. As a matter of fact, a couple of years ago, I interviewed a LBS grad who had done a semester at UT and absolutely loved it. You can find it at accepted.com/393. He just had a wonderful time and started his own business. [22:01]
We have a lot of opportunities in the startup space. Entrepreneurship is an area where you can get a great education and solid foundation because we have amazing professors in the space where they are on the board of startup companies and have started their own businesses so you know, practitioners as well as researchers. You get that academic foundation, but I think what makes us special is how accessible Austin is for people to put to practice their business ideas, be it working on their own business ideas or pursuing an interest in this particular area and connecting that space and doing a micro-consulting project or doing an internship or, for those that are able to do it, kind of that entrepreneurial venture full time after graduation. Austin is a great place for that, too.
McCombs requires a GMAT or a GRE, but I understand it will also accept the Executive Assessment. Do you have any plans to expand the number of tests that you accept or to be more generous with test waivers? [23:39]
For sure. We continue to monitor the test optional developments in the graduate management education space pretty closely. We do not have any current plans to change or add to the types of tests we accept. We do accept the GMAT, GRE, and EA, and accept valid or expired scores for all of those three test categories. As you mentioned, we do have a COVID test waiver in place. We are working really closely with the University of Texas at Austin graduate school admissions to make sure we align with their testing policies, and I don’t see us changing that for the next admission cycle. But again, I feel like everything needs to be taken with a grain of salt given the COVID situation, but the current plan is to continue with what we have in place.
UT’s class profile for the class of 2023 has some pretty impressive stats: 704 average GMAT, 318 average GRE total, 3.44 average GPA. What do you look for besides stats? [25:08]
We take our holistic review of an application really seriously, so all of the application components that applicants submit are taken under consideration. You are more than your GMAT or GRE or GPA. For us, it’s really important to dive into an applicant’s work experience, and by work experience, we don’t mean the quantity of years or months of experience somebody has, but really the impact and trajectory that someone has had in the workplace.
From a culture perspective, we have an incredibly entrepreneurial and collaborative environment here at Texas McCombs, so we’re going to be reviewing letters of recommendation, resumes, essays, and interviews and keeping an eye and ear out for evidence of your collaboration in the workplaces where you’ve been. What’s your entrepreneurial spirit like? Something that we value here at Texas McCombs, and I think it’s part of that Texas spirit is grit, your ability to do the hard work. You roll up your sleeves and get things done. Those are some of the things that we look for in the application itself.
I feel like sometimes, a high average GMAT or high average GRE, or a really high GPA may turn some individuals off from considering McCombs or submitting an application, and for those of your listeners that are on the fence maybe saying, “I don’t know. My GMAT is below the average. I’m not going to get in,” talk to us! We are here to support you and help you put your best foot forward. You are more than that number, and we want to hear your story. We love, love, love to hear your story, to hear where you’re coming from, and it’s really a privilege to be in the receiving end of such amazing applications, so work with us, and I think that you’ll be surprised that you can put together a really strong application even if you have below average GMAT or below average GRE.
What happens to an application after the applicant hits submit? [28:04]
That’s when the hard work for us really begins. I always equate hitting the submit button with the deadline day. For the full time MBA program, we don’t start reviewing your application for the round until the day after the deadline, so if you happen to hit that submit button two weeks before the deadline, you’ll get a couple of automated messages from us. You’ll be invited to engage with us in different types of events, but we don’t really start that application review until the day after the deadline. And what happens the day after the deadline is we start to review the applications at a high level to determine the individuals that we’re going to be inviting to each review. Our goal is always to have 80 to 90% of the interview invitations out for a particular round within three weeks of that deadline date.
We are all hands on deck doing that high level review of the applications to get as many of those interview invitations out as possible to give our applicants enough time to prepare for the interview, to schedule the interview, and go through the process. At the same time that interview invitations are going out and we’re starting to interview candidates, the application gets assigned one or two readers, so the reading process is happening at the same time as the interviews are taking place. We usually give an interview deadline day within a particular round so applicants know when they need to schedule that interview by, and then after that date, we start to meet as an admissions committee. The admissions committee is a lot of fun.
This fall, for Round 1, we were able to come back to campus and sit in the same room, which was awesome. We’ve been conducting a virtual admissions committee for the past couple Rounds, so it’s a lot of fun to be back with the team in one room. The person that reads your application, your primary reader is kind of your speaker for that particular candidate. And then we discuss all the candidates in committee and decide on the admissions decision and scholarship awards leading up to the decision deadline date, which just so happens that our full-time round one decision deadline notification date is today.
You’re looking at everything: the recommendations, the resume, the essay questions. Could you give us a brief overview of how those things fit together? [31:07]
Generally speaking, we’re looking at your academic aptitude through the undergraduate and graduate transcripts and any test scores that you’re able to submit as far as the application. That academic aptitude is really important because it is an academically rigorous program. That first semester is incredibly tough with a lot of quantitative heavy classes, so we want to make sure that students are set up for success. When assessing academic aptitude, we’re looking both at those undergraduate graduate transcripts, which for most people are in the past. The test options and the test score help us complement the history that you have with something that might be more up to date. That’s the academic review of the application.
We also are interested in your professional trajectory. The average years of work experience for our full-time MBA is 5.5 years so we’re looking for individuals that have had an impact in the industries that they’ve been a part of. We look at your resume, we look at your letter of recommendation as part of the evaluation of your professional trajectory. And for us, again, impact is paramount. Trajectory onward and upward. You don’t have to have the perfect resume. You may have some gaps, especially in a world that has been turned upside down with COVID. That’s perfectly okay. What’s important to do is to help the admissions committee understand what that trajectory was, and if there are any gaps, let us know what happened. So that professional trajectory piece is the second piece of the tripod.
And then, the last piece is all about the applicant in Texas McCombs. Why do you want to pursue an MBA? Why Texas McCombs specifically? What are your dreams and your passions, and why do you want to be a part of our community? We assess that piece via the essays and via the interview as well. I think that’s like the admissions tripod and how the different components really interact with each other.
How do letters of recommendations fit in? [34:04]
The recommendations are more around that professional trajectory. They let us know your impact in the workplace, but we also have some questions around teamwork and collaboration that help us assess the fit with the culture within that letter of recommendation as well.
You have two required essays and an optional essay. For essay one, you give the option of a 250 word essay or a one minute video. Do you have any preference? [34:26]
We don’t have a preference, so we give you the option. We like prospective student applicants to really pick the communication medium where they’re going to be able to put their best foot forward. I will say that between 20% to 30% of the applicant pool actually do the video, so it might not be as high as some of the applicants may expect. The goal of that first essay is, really, an informal essay for us to get to know you a little bit better. I often encourage applicants to highlight aspects of their candidacy that we may not know from the resume or from the letter of recommendations. Sharing with us information about their passions or the why behind the decisions that they made academically and professionally, are really great ways to use that essay number one.
What can applicants expect if they’re lucky enough to be invited to interview? [35:46]
I love interviewing candidates when I can. Here at Texas McCombs, the interviews are conducted by admissions officers, current students and alumni. For all the Rounds since COVID, all of our interviews have been conducted virtually. We are hoping that in Round 2 we’ll be able to do the interviews virtually and maybe produce a couple in-person options on campus if the COVID situation allows. The interview is by invitation only. They are blind interviews, which means that the interviewer only has had access to your resume. As we approach the interview, it usually starts with the applicant’s elevator pitch on their background. Usually we like that to be three to five minutes max. And then we dive into questions around why an MBA? Why now? Why Texas McCombs? The interview itself lasts between 30 to 45 minutes.
It is behavioral in nature, so lots of “tell me about a time when” types of questions around leadership and collaboration and teamwork. We do not have case interviews or group interviews. And at the end, I think it is always important, for your listeners and applicants in general, to have good questions to ask whoever the interviewer is and important to really tailor the follow up questions that you have to who is interviewing you. Have a different set of questions to ask if you’re being interviewed by a student versus an admissions officer versus an alum.
Will you know ahead of time who’s interviewing you? [37:45]
You’ll know if they are a student, admissions officer, or alum. You may not know their name until you start the interview.
You’ve been doing this for over 10 years. What’s the most common mistake you see applicants make? [38:00]
It happens every year no matter how much we communicate it, but I know that your listeners are awesome and they’re not going to make these mistakes because they’re listening to this podcast. So the first one seems really simple, but it’s not answering the essay prompt. As you build your application and you focus on those essays, it is really important for you to engage with individuals within your community. If you have an opportunity to work with an admissions consultant, that’s awesome as well, but always ask yourself and those that are reviewing your essay if you’re appropriately answering the essay prompt. I know that applicants have a lot to share, and they want to share everything with us. Remember that there are a lot of different application components and opportunities for you to share who you are. The essays are a great asset to your application, but it’s only going to be one that you’re going to be able to capitalize on if you answer that essay prompt. So that’s number one.
The second one is also around essays, and it seems really basic. I can see some of your listeners may be rolling their eyes whenever they listen to this, but mentioning the wrong school name in the application is a big no-no. It happens more often than you think, so make sure to double, triple check the materials that you’re submitting with your application, that you’re listing out the right school name.
The third one is a kind of a new nuance that we’ve been seeing, I would say, as of the past three to five years, which is discrepancies between your resume that you submit with the application and any information that you have out on LinkedIn. As part of the application here at Texas McCombs, applicants can submit their LinkedIn if they have a LinkedIn profile. If you are going to submit your LinkedIn profile with your application, and that piece of it is optional the resume is not optional, make sure that the LinkedIn profile matches the resume on the jobs that you’ve had, dates, etc. If there are discrepancies between both of them, you may raise questions from the admissions committee, and you don’t want the admissions committee to have questions. You want to answer any questions that we have. Those discrepancies between resume and LinkedIn can be a little bit tricky sometime, so be on the lookout for that.
Some applicants have specific elements of their background that give them grave concern. How do you view applicants who had a dip in grades or perhaps a period of unemployment due to depression or emotional illness? How about applicants who perhaps have an academic infraction or a misdemeanor on their record? [41:41]
Great question. To answer scenario number one, I’ll let applicants know that they can use the optional essay to give us more insight into that particular situation. It’s perfectly okay if you had a period of unemployment at some point during your professional career up to this point, and it can be because of depression or emotional illness or just a situation outside of those two factors. With COVID specifically, depending on the industry that you’ve been in, you may have been impacted more heavily, or maybe your family situation where you may have had to quit your job to take care of family members. It can happen here in the US, but it happens, I think, even more often abroad in some of the countries where we have a lot of MBA applicants. So using that optional essay to really help us understand what it was is really key.
For the second scenario around an academic infraction or misdemeanor on your record, we have a specific question on the application itself where you can address these two items. There is a limit on the answer to that question. If you feel like you didn’t provide us all of the context around what happened there, you can always use the optional essay to add on some more kind of insight into those particular situations, too.
One thing that I will say about academic infractions or misdemeanors, if it’s a DUI, for example, it happens and it’s usually in the past. For us, what we’re looking for is for you to own the situation and own what happened and share with us what you learned from that particular situation. We’re not looking for excuses or pointing a finger saying, “It wasn’t my fault.” Explain the situation for us, own it, and then let us know what you learned from it. That’s the message that I’ll leave your listeners with.
Let’s say a listener is thinking about applying for this cycle, they’re looking at a “late” Round 3 application. What advice would you give for that person? Who do you think would be better off waiting until next year to apply? [44:31]
That is a great question. We have Round 3 for a reason. We take applications in Round 3. We admit students in Round 3. The one thing that I’ll say with Round 3, though, is applicants in that round need to be ready to go. We receive those applications. We turn the evaluation around really quickly, usually within a month, so you get that admissions decision pretty quickly because you have to be in Austin by early August starting the program.
There’s very little runway for you to settle in and get ready. You should be ready to go when you submit that application. For listeners that are really gung ho into starting in fall 2022 and feel ready to do so, I’ll say apply for Round 3. You have that chance so go for it but only if you’re ready to start.
For those that are interested in starting in fall of 2023, that will be the next submission cycle, there’s still quite a bit of time. We usually open the application sometime in late July, early August, for that next cycle. We tease a few announcements over the summer, like our new essays and any new updates to the application components. But my advice for those applicants would be to make a plan and give enough time to explore different schools. If you are going to take the exam, make time to prepare for the exam. Whenever you’re taking the GMAT, the GRE or the EA, preparation is key. Make a plan that is really encompassing and make sure you’re giving yourself enough time to study. Also make some time to do some introspection exercises where you can figure out what the right schools that you are going to be applying to, and then work on those essays and submit the applications. Make a calendar plan if you are looking to apply for next fall.
We actually have an MBA application timeline that we’ve developed, and it talks about starting in January if you want to apply in Round 1 of the next cycle, because that gives you time to clarify your goals, research career opportunities, research the schools. If that’s something that you haven’t been doing and you want to do. [47:34]
Is there anything else you would’ve liked me to ask you or you’d just like to bring up at this point? [48:26]
Not to harp on a point that we’ve both already made, but an MBA is not an impulse buy. An MBA is a transformational journey, and in order for applicants to take full advantage of what is offered, they need to take the steps necessary to pause, think about it, introspect, select the right number of schools and come prepared. Treat it as more than a durable good purchase. It is not a tic-tac that you buy at the corner grocery store, so take your time preparing for it and have a little bit of fun as well. You’re going to meet a lot of different people here, with a lot of different stories, so take your time before you apply, really exploring and preparing. When you hit that submit button, it should be a moment of relief, but also a moment of celebration that you’re doing the right thing.
Where can listeners and potential applicants learn more about UT Austin McCombs full-time MBA program? [49:55]
Mccombs.utexas.edu is our website, so that’s the best place to learn information about Texas McCombs, but I do encourage your listeners to find me on LinkedIn. Rodrigo Malta is a pretty unique name. If you Google “Rodrigo Malta Texas McCombs email,” my email comes up because I’m the only Rodrigo Malta in all of UT. So if you all have questions, reach out to me. I love to be a connector, and if I don’t know the answer to your question, I likely know the person that does, and I’m happy to connect you with them.
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