Columbia 2007 MBA Application

Columbia’s 2007 application is now available at the CBS web site. The essay questions are the same as last year’s, and my advice hasn’t changed either.

A couple of general comments first.

  1. First take a few minutes to strategize about the application as a whole. You want a balance of professional and non-professional experiences in the application.
  2. CBS (and every other school ) is first and foremost looking for answers to the questions posed. Yes they want to see how you will fit in the program through your essays, but make sure you answer the individual questions while presenting a comprehensive and impressive picture of you. Just today I was reviewing an essay, and it completely failed to answer the question posed. The question asked for "a time" in other words, an example or situation. The writer gave a survey. In my opinion he missed the boat entirely.

Deadlines 

For the January 2007 Accelerated program, applicants can submit anytime between now and October 11, 2006. For Early Decision September 2007 matriculation, applicants can submit between August 16, 2006 and October 11, 2006. For  Regular Decision 2007 matriculation, domestic applicants must submit before April 18, 2007 and international applicants must submit before March 1, 2007.

 The Columbia 2007 MBA Application Essay Questions (My comments are in red)

 

Essays
The following essay questions are part of the 2007 application to Columbia Business School. In addition to learning about your professional aspirations, the Admissions Committee hopes to gain an understanding of your interests, values and motivations through these essays. How you answer these essays is at your discretion, there are no right answers and we encourage you to answer each question thoughtfully and honestly. Each essay should be typed and double-spaced on separate 8 1/2 x 11 paper with your name and the date of the final draft at the top of each page.

Essays:
1. What are your short-term and long-term post-MBA goals? How will Columbia Business School help you
achieve these goals? (recommended 750 word limit) 

This is a very forward looking goals question. While you shouldn’t ignore the factors that contributed to the development of your goals, the bulk of the essay should be about the future. What do you want to do immediately after completing your MBA? 5 years later? How will Columbia’s program help you achieve your goals?  And be specific!

 

2. What has been the greatest challenge to your value system that you’ve faced and how did you handle it?
(recommended 500 word limit)

 

Where were your values challenged and how did you handle it? This is a very broad question and you can use a professional or non-professional experience to answer it. Realize that the best answers are somewhat nuanced. They are thoughtful, not dogmatic or self-righteous. The situation doesn’t to have to be an ethical dilemma where you have a clash of values. A situation where you were pressured to go against values you hold dear would be perfect for this essay. Clearly ethics and values are at the heart of this question.

 

3. In discussing Columbia Business School, Dean R. Glenn Hubbard remarked, “We have established the mindset
that entrepreneurship is about everything you do.” Please discuss a time in your own life when you have
identified and captured an opportunity. (recommended 500 word limit)

 

When have you taken a risk, assumed responsibility, and initiated a project in order to seize the moment and an opportunity? Again, this question could be answered from professional, college, or extra-curricular activities to maintain the balance I talked about above

 

4. Please select and answer one of the following essay questions. (recommended 250 word limit)
a. Please tell us what you feel most passionate about in life.
b. If you were given a free day and could spend it anywhere, in any way you choose, what would you do?

 

Either option is an attempt to get to know you as a human being, and they are both asking for the same thing  — just giving you different vehicles to present it. These options are both best answered with non-professional answers. Have a little fun with these questions and as always be authentic. There are no right or wrong answers; just demonstrate your enthusiasm for whatever you choose and include the reasons why you are so passionate about your topic. Finally, if you say you are so passionate about Subject X, make sure Subject X is an active part of your life, something you devote time to. Writing checks or having strong feelings won’t do it.

 

5. (Optional) Is there any further information that you wish to provide to the Admissions Committee?
(Please use this space to provide an explanation of any areas of concern in your academic record
or your personal history.)

Obviously you could use this question to address a weakness in your application, but in my mind, it is also open-ended enough to allow you to discuss a diversity element in your personal background or simply some unique area of interest in your personal background.   Also, tucking a weakness explanation somewhere else would allow you to end the application with a strength and not a weakness.

If you would like help with your Columbia MBA application, please consider Accepted.com’s MBA essay editing and admissions consulting or a Columbia Comprehensive Package, which includes essay editing, interview coaching, consultation, and a resume edit for the Columbia MBA application.

  • Jason

    Thank you so much!

  • Rat

    In columbia application, first essay word limit is 750, not 1000. So keep this mind while preparing

  • Linda Abraham

    Thanks for the heads up. I confirmed using the online application that you are correct and changed it above.

  • Jing

    Hi Linda, is it really bad to exceed the word limit? If my essay exceeds the limit by around 50 words, do you recommend cutting it down?
    Thank you very much!!

  • Kent

    Hi there, I think the essay two has changed AGAIN! Columbia online application, after migrated, shows: What personal value means the most to you and why? (Recommended 300 word limit) : *

    Also, the word limit for question 1 has been changed back to 1000 instead of 750.

    Ah………….. hope this is the last change

  • Linda Abraham

    Our rule of thumb is no more than 10% over the word limit. I am going to contact Columbia and ask them about their variable word limits. :-/

  • Jing

    Thanks, Linda. can’t believe they changed the essay again. Would it be OK if i still use the 750 word for essay 1 then?
    Thank you very much.

  • Linda Abraham

    Yes. That’s the limit.

  • AmyB

    Hi,

    Can anyone tell me if I have the option of choosing the #2 essay — between ethics and the new one on ‘model manager’.
    I started my online apps a week back and only the ‘model manager’ topic is showing up as essay #2. This is very confusing!!!

  • Linda Abraham

    Amy,

    Per the update above, you can choose to answer the original #2.

  • AmyB

    Thabks Linda, got the same response from CBS Adcom — the essay topic needs to be pasted in the essay doc as well.

  • JoTorre

    Has anyone applying to Columbia MBA Early Decision 2006 been invited to an Interview (October 09, 2006)?

  • JoTorre

    Is a 640 GMAT very low for Columbia?

  • Michael

    Hi Linda,

    For the 4th question, my current essay is at 350 words, can you please let me know if I really need to cut this down to 250?

    Thanks!
    Michael

  • Linda Abraham

    640 is a low GMAT for Columbia and an obvious weakness in your application. The adcom will look very closely for evidence that you can handle the academics and for elements in your profile that will make you a compelling candidate. Hopefully your transcript, work experience, and essays will provide it.

  • Linda Abraham

    Michael,

    Our rule of thumb is up to 10% over. The readers don’t count words, but they will definitely realize if an essay is 40% over the limit. Unless the essay is an outstanding Wow! of an essay and you have cut every bit of fat and flab from it, you should cut it down. Please see http://www.accepted.com/newsletter/2005/0805news.aspx#essay for tips on cutting it.

  • Muk

    Linda,
    Continuing on the GMAT score thought. The 10%-90% range for Columbia for 2005 was 660-750 with an average score of 706. Obviously you would like to have a score above the average, but how does a score like 680 appear to the adcom? It is in the range, however, on the lower end. Coming from a non-traditional Biomed Engineering ugrad background, how does it come off to the committee and should I consider taking the exam again in another month? Sorry for the long question. Thank you

    -Muk

  • Linda Abraham

    Muk,

    It can’t be viewed in isolation, and a 680, even at a school like CBS that has a high average GMAT is certainly not a bad score. Was your score balanced or skewed? IF skewed, can you provide other evidence of skill in the area that was lower? Was your undergraduate record strong or was it a little lower than average for Columbia? Are you from a group that is under-represented or over-represented in the applicant pool? Does your work experience demonstrate exceptional, ordinary, or a little lower than average achievement and professional progression.

    I’m sorry this is not the straight-forward answer you were probably hoping for, but it is the real one.

    I’ll respond to your question about retaking if you respond to my questions above.

    Good luck!

  • Shirley

    Linda,
    Continuing on Muk’s comment on the GMAT score, I also got a 680. I have a 3.7 GPA, and I’m an Asian, female officer in the Navy and I have been working on big construction projects. Does the adcom view the GMAT as the #1 indication of academic prowess, or do they balance everything? Thank you.

  • Linda Abraham

    No. They balance. Considering your unusual background and academic strength, I recommend against your retaking the GMAT. Focus on your essays now.

  • Lisa

    Hi everyone, I have applied early to Columbia, submitting my application the day prior to the deadline (October 10). I still haven’t heard about an interview. Should I be worried? Has anyone else heard? How long does it typically take?

  • Linda Abraham

    IN the recent Accepted.com chat, Linda Meehan said that it takes longer to process applications submitted close to the deadline because they come in a deluge and the timing of an interview invitation means nothing in terms of your chances of acceptance. I wouldn’t worry about it. The transcript is at http://www.accepted.com/chat/transcripts/2006/mba11012006_columbia.aspx . I also remember, but can’t remember the source that CBS says you should allow them 8-12 weeks to process your application. You have a ways to go before you should start worrying. Patience is a (difficult) virtue. :-)

  • John

    For question 2, Tell us about a manager you’ve observed who enabled or inspired others to do their best work and analyze how this manager did it. Would it be a good idea to tell about one’s boss, i cant think of a better example than my boss..any thoughts

  • http://www.accepted.com Linda Abraham

    Sure. Use your boss as the example. You’re lucky if you had that kind of a boss!

  • Pat

    For the optional, there doesn’t appear to be a word limit. Any thoughts on this? Also, is it Ok to only talk about my positive unique attributes that I wasn’t able to weave into the main essays? It seems with what is bracketed at the end of the questions, this question may be more focused on flaws…please advise!

    Thanks!

  • Linda Abraham

    My recommendation: Keep it under 500 words.

    I think the end of the optional is saying that if you have to explain something, use this essay to do so. I think it is open-ended enough so that if you have an additional aspect of your background or experience "you wish to provide to the Admissions Committee," you can do so here, including the positive.

  • Luna

    You posted question 2 as "What has been the greatest challenge to your value system that you’ved faced and how did you handle it?" However, according to Columbia’s application it is "Leading in the global economy requires enabling high performance from a diverse set of employees, colleagues and partners. Tell us about a manager you’ve observed who enabled or inspired others to do their best work and analyze how this manager did it."

    Am I missing something very obvious? Please advise.

  • Linda Abraham

    Please see July 14 update above.

  • Nimrod

    As I’ve been quite personal in the Q4 (life passion), I’m wondering whether I should use the optional essay to present another few personal facts, that indeed can strenghten my diversity (as I couldn’t fit them anywhere else), or the reader would consider it a waste of time, or too much of non-professional info?

  • Linda Abraham

    Obviously I can’t comment on whether what you add will actually strengthen your application. But assuming that this is adding value to your application and not rehashing material that is covered elsewhere or is irrelevant, then yes use the optional for this material.

    If the essays other than #4 are professional, you should have enough professional material in the application. Again, without reading your essays, I can’t make an informed judgement.

    Good luck!

  • Nimrod

    Thank you!

  • Luna

    Hi Linda,

    My GMAT is only 640 but I have nearly perfect undergraduate GPA (major in Economics) and strong work experience. Should I proactively explain why my substandard GMAT score should be overlooked in the optional essay?

    Thank you.

  • John

    Hi,
    Same old question, I dont expect to hear a different answer, however I cant supress the urge to ask?

    What are my chances?

    GMAT=650 (QA=47 & V=32)
    Undergrad GPA=3.42
    Masters GPA=3.38
    Experience=5 years
    2 Patents
    3 Technical Papers
    Excellent Essays
    Did not write Essay 4

  • dk

    Hi Linda,

    Regarding the essay for an inspiring manager, can I write about a manager from my community service experience?

    She is an important executive in my company and also leads a community service initiative within the company. But I want to highlight on her community service role…

  • Linda Abraham

    John,

    I’m not optimistic.

    Sorry. Please tell us if you hear good news and I’m wrong.

  • kathryn

    Hi, it seems futile to even ask this question after seeing the response to John above… I recieved my undergraduate degree from an interdisciplinary education program. no grades, completely evalutation based. So, I don’t have a GPA.

    I’m applying as a marketing, international business major and have 1 yr international experience as an undergrad.

    GMAT: 610
    (V): 38; (Q): 35
    AWA: 5.5
    Work: 4 years with significant responsibility and advancement. I’ve been promoted 2 years in advance of others preceding me.

    Does anything else really matter with my gmats so low?

  • Linda Abraham

    DK,

    Sure. I think the key is to show how she "enabled or inspired others to do their best work and analyze how this manager did it." The context is less important than the example and your analysis.

  • Linda Abraham

    The schools want to see evidence of your academic potential. Your GMAT doesn’t provide it for Columbia. The evaluations made show it, but I doubt if they are all provided. Does your school provide anything that could testify to superior academic achievement?

    If not, you’re making it extremely hard for CBS (or any top school) to overlook a low GMAT in light of superior professional progression — and it would have to be really impressive to overcome a 610 GMAT even with a competitive GPA.

    Could you take the GMAT again? Are you a poor test-taker or did something hapen that affected the results? Did you prepare for the GMAT?

  • Lindsay

    Linda-

    I too could not help but seek your opinion on admittance probability.

    I received a 690 on the GMAT
    Undergrad from Ivy League school with 3.9 major GPA and 3.6 overall, economics major
    Great professional experience with leadership opportunities – 4 years
    I’m a female with strong quant skills

    My question for you is how important are the essays. I believe my writing ability is fine (grammatically correct, relevant stories, etc), but certainly not spectacular with witty commentary (i.e. they are probably not memorable) Could the essays keep me out?

    Thanks!!

    Secondly, for question 2, I plan on submitting the old version. So, I just upload my essay into the new question slot with the old version question written at the top? I truly appreciate the help!

  • Linda Abraham

    It is impossible for me to comment on your essays without seeing them. (The rest of your profile is competitive at CBS.) Essays are extremely important when you have competitive stats. They distinguish you from others with competitive stats. The schools want essays that reflect you. They want essays that show maturity, self-knowledge, knowledge of the program, and a sense of purpose. They appreciate, but do not expect literary masterpieces.

    I apologize in advance if this small plug offends you, but if you want one of our editors to review your application and provide an informed opinion, we do offer an application review service http://www.accepted.com/services/servicesdetails.aspx?serviceid=121 . It may provide you with some good suggestions or it may give you some piece of mind.

    In regards to #2, as far as I know that is exactly what you should do, but to be sure, contact CBS.

  • kumarshahi

    Hi Linda,
    I have a question regarding my application to Columbia Accelerated MBA program(Jan. 2008 session). First I would like to share my brief profile:

    Age 31, Male, Indian Citizen, Australian Permanent Resident, IT, work-ex 9+ years(4+ years international),currently Program Manager, engineering undergrad — top college from India(IIT), GPA 3.3,
    GMAT 690(V 80, Q 86), AWA 6.0

    Post MBA goal: Management, Biz. dev, and startegy roles in IT sector only.

    I want to apply to Columbia 16 month program due to following reasons:
    Great faculty,good networking oportunity in NY,
    Brand name, M7 business school,
    accelerated program(as I am not a career changer, hence not looking for internship), exchange with Melbourne Business school(so can look for jobs in Australia also).

    I plan to submit my application for Columbia in April-May 2007.What do you think about my case? Do you strongly suggest that I should rewrite the GMAT.

    Can you please send me the link of the fees etc. that ‘accepted.com’ will charge me, if I hire it for editing my Columbia essays? Also, keeping the April-May timeline for submitting the essays, when should I start working on them?
    - thanks

  • Linda Abraham

    Thank you for your inquiry.

    Regarding your case for the January program, you need also to make the case that you have the job connections so that you can find a job after your MBA without the internship. The best candidates for the January program are going back to family businesses, their own business, are sponsored, or basically have a job waiting for them. Returning to your field in the locale where you come from is a good start to making the case. If you can make it stronger, your application will be stronger.

    Now to the GMAT. For anyone but an Indian male in IT, a 690 GMAT is competitive and I wouldn’t recommend a retake. In your cohort, GMATs tend to be higher. So if you can without too much bother raise your GMAT before Columbia even starts considering applications, it pays for you to do so. If you can’t, just do the best you can on the rest of your application. Your score is in the ballpark.

    For review and editing of your MBA essays, please see http://www.accepted.com/Services/ServicesCategory.aspx?categoryid=1#link108 . WE also have a Comprehensive Columbia Package which is described at http://www.accepted.com/services/servicesdetails.aspx?serviceid=237 .

    I suggest you contact us in March or when the application questions for the accelerated program are finalized.

    Regards,

  • Tobi

    Hi Linda,

    i am 25 years old and am currently studying automotive engineering in Stuttgart (Germany); I am applying to the Harvard, MIT, UCLA Anderson and Stanford MBA programs. My data: 690 Gmat(V69/Q95/AWA 5.0), Toefl(ibt)109 from 120, GPA 3.7; unfortunately only internships as work experience (BMW; Porsche); Do you think I should retake the Gmat, to strengthen my application. I feel that I could score a little bit higher in the verbal section, which would probably result in a 720 – 730 score..? Thank you in advance for your help.

    Yours sincerely,

    Tobi

  • Linda Abraham

    A 690 is competitive score. If you are confident that you could raise the verbal with little effort, do so; a higher score can only help you. If you think test prep would take away from time spent on your essays or would simply take a lot of effort, I would wait to see how you do this time around with this score and top-notch essays.

    Good luck!

  • Dhruv

    Hi Linda

    I am considering application to Columbia for the rolling deadline of 1st March.. Needed some advice from you on my chances in the present context.

    My profile:

    India Male, Engineer (IIT- premier engineering college), 4 yrs of work ex. at a reputed FMCG in manufacturing and Supply chain… GMAT score 770.. GPA 3.5..

    I am considering Columbia for a concentration in good gen mgmt leading to a break in consulting ..

    Wanted your advice on the dynamics of the rolling deadline and the chances of getting through..

    Looking forward to your response.. I need to get started on the application and also wanted to know whether accepted.com’s offers specific packages for columbia

    Thanks
    Dhruv

  • Linda Abraham

    On one hand, you seem highly competitive. On the other hand, applying late in the application cycle when schools tend to be looking to "round out" their class may make it harder for you, coming from one of the largest co-horts in the application pool.

    I also would think if you are seeking a general management program with ties to consulting firms, you may want to consider some other schools too, like Tuck, HBS, Stanford, Kellogg, Darden, or Michigan.

    Finally, I see little downside (other than time and expense) to applying now to Columbia. You have enough time to put the application together before the March deadline and if you are not accepted now, you can apply again in the fall. And Columbia has always allowed reapplicants to submit a simplified reapplication.

    Yes, we do have Columbia specific packages. Please see http://www.accepted.com/services/servicesdetails.aspx?serviceid=237 .

  • Chris

    Hi Linda,

    I want to start by saying I’ve found your comments on this blog to be extremely informative and helpful… so, thank you!

    I’m planning to apply for business school (Columbia, accelerated program) starting in 2008. My profile is below:
    - Male, Age 25
    - Economics major, Law and Society concentration (3.14 overall GPA)
    - Degree from an ivy league university
    - 2 years experience as an analyst in NY with a top wall street investment bank
    - Recipient of a prestigious international development fellowship grant to provide consultancy/technical assistance in microfinance
    - 2 years experience at a startup microfinance bank in a post civil-conflict country (promoted to manager from junior professional consultant after first 6 months)
    - +3 years community service/volunteer experience

    Future plans:
    - Join and expand the family business
    - Start a social enterprise business (internationally)

    I’m planning to take the GMAT in a few weeks and have begun to prepare. I understand that my GPA is a weakness and my experience is a strength. In your experience, is there anything you recommend I can do to make my candidacy more competitive?

    Many thanks.
    Chris

  • Linda Abraham

    Thanks for the feedback.

    A high GMAT socre will do a lot for you.

    In terms of the GPA, was there a bad semester? an upward trend or fairly level achievement? was there some contributing factor that no longer exists?

    The best way to overcome a low GPA is with recent A’s, but sometimes an explanation of extenuating circumstances can do a lot too.

    Good luck!

  • Chris

    Linda,

    Most semesters I was around 3.1. I had a few above 3.3, and one below 3. My first semester senior year was low as I was in the process of job interviews and was leading several clubs, while the second semester was quite high (3.5). My lowest grades were in an advanced calculus class an economic history class, and a corporate finance class. These were taught by non-native english speaking professors that didn’t use grade curves.

    Thanks again for your feedback!

  • Linda Abraham

    Chris,

    As I am sure you realize, your experience is excellent and distinctive. Your GPA, as you also know is on the low side for top schools. If you ace the GMAT and get an above average score, you will show you have the ability to perform in b-school.

    The question in my mind is whether your professional accomplishments alone will be enough to convince them that you have the focus, maturity, time management skills, and will to perform in b-school. To reduce doubts, if not remove them, perhaps you should retake that corporate finance class and/or another busines related course and earn an A.

    Also check out http://www.accepted.com/mba/lowstats.aspx

    and the MBA Admissions Telethon at http://www.accepted.com/mba/2008AdmissionsTelethon.aspx .

    Good luck! .

  • Mike T.

    Hi Linda,

    I am considering applying early decision for Fall 2008. Columbia is my first and only choice. I just wanted to ask you if I might have a shot at admission or not waste my time. I am 27 years old and have been working for a well known commercial real estate firm in NYC for three years. Previously I was a Commercial Pilot for close to two years. I earned a B.S. degree and pilots license while in college. I went to college for two years and then transferred and finished my B.S. My GPA at my first school was a 2.1 and a 3.5 where I finished. I realize from reading this blog that I need to score north of 670 on the GMAT to be competetive so I started studying and hope to take it in a few months. I would appreciate your thoughts.

    Thanks very much,

    Mike

  • Linda Abraham

    You need to score considerably north of 670, probably north of 700 considering the undergrad record.

    Were there extenuating circumstances that contributed to the initial low GPA?

  • Sam

    Hi Linda,

    Am planning to apply to CBS in mid Feb. Am from India (710/6.0, 6 WE in MNC FMCG in brand management, Age – 31, Undergrad – B.Pharmacy, Masters degree in Mgmt. studies from top indian institute)

    My queries are:

    1. How realistic are my chances of applying in mid Feb (though well within the end Mar07 deadline for intl. applicants)?

    2. How 2nd MBA friendly is CBS?

    Do you see my Masters degree in Mgmt as a weakness?

    Thanks,
    Sam

  • Sandy

    Hi Linda,

    I think this forum/blog is awesome and informative. great going !!

    Im from India.

    First few facts :-
    1. GMAT – 640 (Q 48 & V 30)
    2. Work Ex – Over 3 years, in finance dept of MNC banks (across 2 banks).
    3. Chartered Accountant (professional degree).
    4. Looking at consultancy post MBA, and after abt 5 yrs, plan to launch my venture

    Assuming that I will do some justice with the essaysm and also considering the facts above, how realistic are my chances for Columbia abd London Business School.

    thanks for your all your help !!

  • Linda Abraham

    Sam,

    I’m sorry it’s taken me so long to respond. I thought I had replied and apparently hadn’t hit the right button. to answer your questions:

    1) I am not optimistic. As the application season progresses I believe that people with common profiles and average stats are less likely to gain admission. Schools are becoming more intersted in diversity and "rounding out classes." If they need someone with your background, your chances are better; if they don’t…
    2. I’m not sure and suggest you direct that question to CBS directly. It has a thread of the BW Forum if you want to remain anonymous. Even if they do accept those with a masters in mgmt, be aware that you will need to articulate clearly why you need an MBA in addition to that masters at this time.

    I don’t really see it as a weakness, as long as CBS will consider you. I see it as something you have to address. Most applicants at your age have to have crystal clear goals and be able to explain why at this stage they still want an MBA. You just have a little different angle to it. You may want to see http://www.accepted.com/mba/older.aspx )

    Good luck!

  • Linda Abraham

    Sandy,

    Thanks for the positive feedback.

    I am sorry to be discouraging, but with your current GMAT your chances at both CBS and LBS are poor — even with good essays. You need to raise your GMAT and "do justice " to the essays in order to have a competitive chance at either school.

    Good luck!

  • Peter

    Hi Linda,

    Thanks for the advice that you have posted on this blog.

    I’m 28 years old. How realistic do you think my chanches are of getting into Columbia? A few facts:

    1) Undergrad degree in Finance and History from Boston College – GPA of 3.4

    2) GMAT Score of 680 (45 – Q/38 – V), 5.5 WE

    3) Director at a Consulting Firm specializing in Corporate Finance and Corporate Restucturing. 5 1/2 years of work experience at the same firm.

    4) Level 3 candidate for the CFA

    Unfortunately, in order to get my applications in time, I didn’t get a chance to study more for the GMAT and bring my score up. MY fear is that this is what may hold back, meaning I have to take the test again and reapply.

    Any thoughts?

    Thanks much!

    Peter

  • Dejanuskica

    Hi Linda!
    I really appriciate you being so direct , therefore i would like your opinion on my application for Columbia.

    I am 28,female, from Eastern Europe,Gmat 710 (V38, Q48) with undergraduate and post-graduate(gpa 4.0) in Music, Piano, had a piano career and then switched 2 years ago to business (sales in IT company). What worries me is lack of business education and experience although i have had great success ( in my criteria) within these 2 years working in sales.
    Shall i continue sweating over the essays??

    Thank you very much in advance for being honest!
    Deja

  • Dejanuskica

    Hi Linda!
    I really appriciate you being so direct , therefore i would like your opinion on my application for Columbia.

    I am 28,female, from Eastern Europe,Gmat 710 (V38, Q48) with undergraduate and post-graduate(gpa 4.0) in Music, Piano, had a piano career and then switched 2 years ago to business (sales in IT company). What worries me is lack of business education and experience although i have had great success ( in my criteria) within these 2 years working in sales.
    Shall i continue sweating over the essays??

    Thank you very much in advance for being honest!
    Deja

  • Shm

    Hi Linda,
    This is regarding your comment
    "Now to the GMAT. For anyone but an Indian male in IT, a 690 GMAT is competitive and I wouldn’t recommend a retake. In your cohort, GMATs tend to be higher..’
    Do business schools generally group students according to the region they come from? And if yes do great academics and work experience help negate the impact of a lower score?
    Thanks in advance.

  • Linda Abraham

    Peter,

    I share your concern. It is legitimate. But I also hope that your impresive work experience could carry the day and gain you an acceptance. That outcome may not be likely, but it also isn’t far-fetched.

    In the event you are rejected, seek feedback and yes prepare to retake the GMAT.

    Good luck!

  • Linda Abraham

    Deja,

    Keep sweating over those applications! Your GMAT and GPA show you have the brains for b-school. Your piano shows passion (see today’s post) and self-discipline. If your last two years of work experience show progress and business savvy, you have a competitive profile at Columbia. Your biggest negative is that it is now a little late in the application cycle, but it still makes sense for you to apply.

    If you would like to sweat a little less over those essays or simply feel more confident about them, please keep Accepted (http://www.accepted.com/services/mbaservices.aspx ) in mind.

    Good luck!

  • Linda Abraham

    Shm,

    Many, many schools have readers for particular regions so they become specialists in those areas. They also know the quality of the applicant pool from different parts of the world.

    So basically the answer to both of your questions is "yes."

    Good luck!

  • Juan

    Hi Linda,

    Another question about chances of getting the admission for Columbia.

    I took the GMAT last month and am really happy with my score. 770 total (49 quant, 50 verbal, 5.0 AWA). I have an undergrad degree in Telecom Engineering and an MSc in Mobile Communications. 3 years work experience, 2 of them in the UK (I’m Spanish). 108 TOEFL iBT. So far, it’s all good.

    However, my GPA is very low because the way qualifications work in Spain is very different from USA. No one in my degree got more than 3.0 GPA and mine must be around 2.5.

    I’d like to apply for the accelerated (January start) MBA. Any suggestion? What’s the best way to inform the adcom about my "problem"? I’m afraid if I just send them and email, it’ll get lost.

    Any other comment on the best way to get the admission with my profile would be more than welcome! :-)

    Juan

  • Shm

    Thanks for your response Linda. Just wanted to ask how are IT people in non-traditional jobs seen differently from an IT person working in an IT/Software company. For example if I work in IT for a trading desk for a top Global investment bank, am I still viewed as a traditional IT person even though my role has a strong financial bend to it. Thx.

  • Linda Abraham

    Juan,

    Congrats on the outstanding GMAT score!

    If you attended a well-known Spanish university, you have nothing to fear. The schools will be able to interpret your transcript like they interpret an American transcript. In the event your school is not well-known or you just want to leave no stone unturned, you can simply write in your application that the top average in your graduating class was an 80 and you received a 75, or whatever the exact numbers were.

    With your GMAT, your int’l background, and work experience, you are a competitive applicant at CBS and are applying appropriately. For the January program you need to make it clear that you do not need an internship and have a job waiting for you without one. If you will benefit from the internship, then wait until September.

    Good luck!

  • Linda Abraham

    Shm,

    Yes. they are viewed differently. If your work is primiarly finanical and not classic IT work, that’s how you will be viewed — provided that’s how you portray it.

    Good luck!

  • Pat

    Linda,

    I have a question for you. Do you know if you can apply to Columbia for the January 2008 Accelerated program AND Early Decision for September 2008 at the same time? Just in case they might still have a few seats still open for the January 2008 class you could have that option to enroll, but not lose the chance to apply ED for September 2008 if you are not accepted for the Jan.08 entry. I hope this made sense. Thanks,

  • Linda Abraham

    I think you would be much better off applying to the January program as soon as you can and making your argument for that program. If not accepted, you can apply ED. But realize that that those programs are aimed at slightly different markets. The January program is for people who don’t need an internship usually because they are returning to their prior employer, entering a family business, or returning to a field where they are well-connected. The ED program can be for career changers who need the internship, but are absolutely sure they want CBS. They are not identical targets, although there is overlap.

    Good luck!

  • m

    Hi Linda,

    I wanted to get your opinion on what chances were for getting into CBS (I’m planning to apply for the April deadline). I’m a South Asian female – born and raised in the states. I have a cummulative undergrad GPA of 3.6 and scored a 670 (V38 Q44) on my GMATs. After graduating from college, I worked at a global public relations firm for 2 years, and now I have been working on the business side of a major television network for about 2 years. I was thinking about apply to LBS and INSEAD as well. Any guidance or thoughts would be much appreciated.

    thanks in advance!

  • Pat

    Linda,

    Thanks a lot for the response. That clears it up for me.

    Regards,

  • Linda Abraham

    m,
    Your experience sounds excellent, and your grades are competitive for CBS. Your GMAT is below average and that will hurt you, especially applying late, It really depends whether they have a lot of accepted applicants with media and int’l pr experience or whether they want more. If they don’t see you adding to the diversity of the class and they do see you bringing down their average GMAT a bit, I am very pessimistic. If they feel your background will add to the diversity of the class, then they may be inclined to overlook your GMAT.

    I suspect your chances are slightly better at LBS and INSEAD.

    In any case, if not admitted this year, consider retaking the GMAT and applying R1 next year. Both steps will improve the likelihood of an acceptance.

    Good luck!

  • Linda Abraham

    Pat,

    Glad to be of help.

  • Finan

    Hi Linda,

    I’m from Cambodia,an under-developped country in South-east asia, and here’s my profiles:

    -GMAT: 580 (Q:44,V:25,AWA:5)
    First time I heard and took GMAT. Totally brand-new type of test to me. No test center in Cambodia, so i flew to Thailand to take one.

    -GPA: 3.7
    An upward trend, and i even hit 4.0 in year 4.
    -Holdong two degrees: BBA& B.Econ.
    First rank straight with a number of honors/awards
    -Experience: 3 years, Area Sales Manager at British American Tobacco,Cambodia. The best company in Cambodia and the second largest tobacco company in the world.

    I know I scored a very poor GMAT, especially in Verbal. I just feel that I’m at the disadvantage of English.

    Assume that I have compelling essays and good recommendations, and I don’t retake GMAT(it’s too late for the dateline), here are my questions:

    -what is the chance if i apply now?
    -Does my AWA score help my score in Verbal?
    -Am I at any avantage as from a non-english speaking, no-GMAT-facilities and under-developped country?

    Regards,

    Finan

  • Danish

    hi linda!
    i see you have been giving out some very valuable information and guidelines to the aspiring mbas. I am currently doing a master’s at columbia in operations research and i am applying for the dual MS/MBA degree. I am a Fulbright Scholar and have been approved for the MBA to be funded as well. My job experience is not that much as I have worked little under an year for BP and Eni in Pakistan. My undergrad GPA was 3.30. My current GPA is however above 3.45. Any thoughts on my chances of getting through?

  • Linda Abraham

    Finan,

    To answer your questions:

    1) Your chances now are poor because they will be very concerned about your ability to complete the course given your verbal score. Your score is over 100 points below their average.
    2) A little bit, but I don’t believe it will help it enough.
    3) They certainly don’t get tons of applicants from Cambodia and that is an advantage for you, and CBS will realize that you come from an underdeveloped country, but they still want students who can contribute to the class and complete the course of study. Your GMAT score will cause the adcom to question your ability to participate successfully.

    At the same time realize that if you apply now and are rejected, you will not be at a disadvantage next year if you choose to reapply (after raising your GMAT).

    If you are not accepted this year, I urge you to prepare and retake the GMAT. There are some online courses and there are GMAT prep books so you can do self-study.

  • Linda Abraham

    Danish,

    Thanks for the feedback.

    What’s your GMAT?

  • Praveen

    Hi Linda,
    I am in a dilemma and could use some advice. My GMAT score is 600 (Q39, V34, AWA 5.5).
    I have a BS (GPA 3.8) and MS (GPA 3.35) in Mechanical Engineering where I had to use very advanced level math in courses like Advanced Mechanics and Dynamics.
    I have been working as an Engineer for 9 years where I use math very regularly. I was planning to apply to Columbia (was hoping for a better GMAT score). Do you think I even stand a chance or should I take the test again? Please advise.

    Regards

    Praveen

  • Linda Abraham

    You should take the test again if you want to have a shot at Columbia.

    Good luck!

  • Praveen

    Hello Linda,
    Thanks for the quick response. I am going to take GMAT again in the begining of April. My background is Mechanical Engineering and Manufacturing (mostly automotive). In your opinion, is there a point in applying for phase III admission in Columbia very close to the application deadline after I take the Gmat again?

    Regards

    Praveen

  • Linda Abraham

    Praveen,

    Part of my answer depends on your updated GMAT score. With your current score, I don’t think you have a chance and don’t see the point in applying (unless you just want to apply to receive feedback, which doesn’t make sense to me). With a higher score, your chances are slight. You come from a very common profile. At this point I suspect CBS is looking either for exceptionally qualified candidates in common applicant sub-groups or candidates that will bring diversity elements to the class.

    At the same time, CBS accepts people who apply through the decision date. If you want to have even a slight chance at acceptance to CBS this year, then you need to apply.

    Good luck!

  • Stephanie

    Hello,

    I was recently notified that I was waitlisted for Fall 2007. Is there anyway to know what the weakness in my application is, so that I may better address it? Or, can I speak to an admissions counselor about my application?

    Thank you for any help you may provide.

  • deniz

    Hi Linda,
    I am turkish/female, 25 years old.
    I applied to only Columbia but haven’t heard anything yet and it has been 8 weeks… . My GMAT is 640 (quant 90% verbal 51%), work exp: 1.5 years in private equity in Central Asia & Turkey, 1.5 years in finance in USA in a top consumer company HQs. GPA :2.9 from top ranked university in Turkey which has 0.06% acceptance rates and my GPA is a good one. BA in Economics. My challenge is my company wants to relocate me in europe (due to some visa issues) by the end of april and pushing me very hard to make a decision asap! What do you estimate my chance to get into Columbia? or should I just move to Europe? it is an extremely hard decision and your insights are very important! Many thanks in advance for your advice!

  • Linda Abraham

    Stephanie,

    CBS used to give feedback to waitlisted applicants. If it still does, you should contact your waitlist manager and get the feedback. If CBS no longer provides the feedback, you may want to hire Accepted.com to critique your application for weaknesses, if you are not aware of them (http://www.accepted.com/services/ServicesCategory.aspx?categoryid=3 ). You may also be interested in my ebook on MBA waitlists at http://www.accepted.com/Ecommerce/MBAWait/MBAWaitList.aspx. A brief article on the topic is at http://www.accepted.com/newsletter/2004/0304news.aspx .

    Good luck!

  • Linda Abraham

    Deniz, THis may be one of those times it pays for you to very respectfully go to the adcom, tell them your situation, and ask them to help you by making a decision on your application sooner so that you can respond to your employer. The key is to request, not demand, and be keenly aware that you are asking someone to do you a favor and go out of their way for you. Be appreciative.

    Good luck!

  • Michel

    Hello and thanks in advance for your help.
    I have sent my application to CBS on the 10th of January and interviewed 2 weeks ago. I haven’t heard back yet. I called and was told my file is now complete. Is it bad news ? Is there anything more i can do at this point ?

  • Linda Abraham

    Michel,

    I assume you let your interviewer know about any signficant events that occured since you applied. Now it’s time to sit tight and wait to hear from them. It is not good or bad if you haven’t heard from them at this point.

    Good luck!

  • Adame

    Linda,

    I’m considering applying to CBS for fall, 2008. My GPA is 3.65 from a top 15 school and I’ve been working in a family real estate business. My GMAT score is 730, but the breakdown is Q 74% V 99% . I’m confident I’d do better on quant. if I re-took the test but may not score as well in verbal and my overall score will go down. Do you think I should re-take the test considering the math score?

  • Linda Abraham

    How were you quant grades as an undergrad? Is you work quantitatively demanding? What was your major?

  • adame

    My quant grades for the intro classes weren’t great- econ 101 and stats 101 were b’s. My gpa was close to a 4.0 sophmore and junior year. My intermediate econ and advanced stats grades were in the a to a- range(I also took some investment classes and got A’s). My major was policy analysis and management which is fairly quantitative and I can get a good rec. from the chair of the department who is an economist.

    My current work is somewhat quant. demanding since I do a lot of financing work on excel- but none of it is too involved.

  • Linda Abraham

    You are probably fine with your current score, given your good quant record as an undergrad and the fact that you are not exactly a poet now. Also 74% is not bad it’s just that it’s below 80%. Although I can hear a case for retaking, given the rest of the info, I would leave it.

    Good luck!

  • Adi

    Hi Linda,

    I know that my chances of getting in to CBS are extremely low, I just want to know if I have a shot at all, or not:

    1)GMAT: 610 (44Q and 30V) I don’t know my AWA yet since I just took the test,
    2)GPA: 3.155 (BSBA with concentrations in Finance (3.85) and International Bus (3.75). Minor in Math (3.47)
    3)Work experience, less than one year, "very low level analyst" (billing) in one of the nations biggest brokerage firms
    4) Ethnicity: Eastern European, completed my undergrad at UM-St.Louis (ranked #8 for its undergraduate international business program)
    5) My grades are not really progressive or regressive. I started out with a 4.0 GPA, then deteriorated, then strated performing agian, and so on. I have excellent grades in quantitative courses (except statistics C and Opertaions Management B) and on my three last semesters I had a GPA of 3.5.

    I would really appreciate yoru insight.
    Thank You.

  • nick

    Hi Linda,

    GMAT – 750

    5 year double major for undergrad (B.Commerce and B.Engineering)

    First three years of UG not good, but deans honors list in last two.

    3 years of very technical consulting experience.

    Is it worth spending the $200+ on application fees?

    Thanks,
    Nick

  • Linda Abraham

    Adi,

    You have a shot if you change some of those stats: Raise your GMAT, take business-related courses and earn A’s in them — perhaps retaking stats, explain why your grades deteriorated in the middle of your college career, and work for another year or two.

  • Linda Abraham

    Nick,

    Were there extenuating circumstances that contributed to the initial low grades? How bad were the low grades? What was your percentage or GPA overall? Can you show leadership experience?

    With a 750 GMAT and a strong finish your your college career, you probably do have a shot but the answers to the above questions would help.

  • nick

    I was immature and a little bit stupid. I really didn’t care and I hold myself completely repsonsible. My overall GPA was about a 2.8.

    In terms of leadrship experience, I have been responsible for a lot of project management and client relations.

    Thanks again,
    Nick

  • Linda Abraham

    You do have a shot and would not be wasting your money, but I wouldn’t say that your chances are great because of the UGPA. If you can enroll in graded classes and earn a few more A’s. Also include an explanation of the low grades. Admit that you blew it due to immaturity and break out your GPA in the last two years to show what you can do when mature and motivated. Argue that the last two years are more revealing than those first two years.

    Good luck!

  • Nicco

    Hi Linda – Thanks for your quick and informative responses. 1 more question – one that you have been asked time and again – I have applied on Jan 15th and have not heard back from CSB. I have 2 other positive responses and need to make a decision about schools in the next couple of days. It has been 10 weeks since I applied and I just wanted to know whether I should assume a negative response.

  • rvr

    Hi Linda – I am Indian/male 32 years old. GMAT 690 (Q47/V37, AWA 6.0). Masters in Info. Systems from leading institute in India (3.5 GPA).

    10+ years work-exp. (2 years in India, 1.5 years in Germany, 7+ years in US, US permanent resident).

    Project/Program Manager (combination of technical and management experience, 6 patents) – Currently managing a team of 20, working with a medical software firm, developing software solutions for cancer treatment.

    I am planning to apply for the Jan 08 accelerated program at CBS. What do you think are my chances?

    Thanks — RVR.

  • adel

    hi linda,
    is it too late in the game to apply? do you think one should just wait for next year? a couple years ago i was waitlisted for columbia’s jan program.

  • Jim

    Hi Linda,
    I applied to Columbia for Sep 07 admission with the following stats:

    4 years work experience – financial services, 700 GMAT, and 3.5 from a top 25 undergrad program. I also have volunteer and extracurricular experience.

    I was not admitted. I am now considering the accelerated program for Jan ’08. Is the acceptance rate higher or lower for this program vs. the September program? Since being rejected I have now received tuition sponsorship from my employer, will this help my application? Thanks!

  • Stuart

    Hi Linda,

    I am UK based physician and military officer. I have also spent the past 6 months working as an idependent consultant to the biopharmacuetical industry and on Bus Dev/VC fundraising for a biotech firm on the West Coast. I have a confirmed place at LBS this fall but with a future career orientation towards US Life Sciences VC feel I need a more international MBA. I am planning on applying to the CBS Jan 08 accelerated program with the following stats:

    Qualifications: BSc & MD (London)
    GMAT: 640 (Strong Verbal/Lower Quant)
    Work experience; 7 years medicine/military

    I am aware I am from a ‘non-traditional’ recruiting pool but nonetheless have a slightly low GMAT with a lower Quant vs. Verbal. Given the quant nature of the course do you think I need to re-take GMAT or would the medical background highlight my academic ability?

    Do you offer a specific package for CBS which is tailored specifically to the accelerated program?

    Thanks for your help!!

  • Linda Abraham

    Nicco,
    Sorry it has taken me a while to respond. If you are at a point of no return, then I would say it makes sense to approach CBS respectfully and with humility and ask if they can give you an answer. I’m assuming that CBS is your first choice.

  • Linda Abraham

    RVR.

    It looks to me like your profile may be more appropriate for an EMBA program. I am not optimistic about your chances for the regular MBA program, but it also isn’t impossible.

    Good luck!

  • Ram

    Hi Linda,

    I am a software engg with 7 years of work experience in IT. I am a engg graduate from one of the top engg schools in India(NIT Trichy) and with Infosys. I have worked in London for a year,about 2.5 years in Canada and more than a year in US and currently i am in US.I gave my Gmat yesterday and got 690( M 48 and verbal 37) What are my chances in Insead and IMD, Oxford in the second round. Or shall i wait to spply for top us schools, ( Will i be able to get into these schools like NYU,Cornell,Duke,UNC,Wharton)Any help is greatly appreciated.

  • lapaz

    i’m asian female, have 650 GMAT, a 3.91 undergrad GPA, 4 years work experience, and was promoted 4 times. my essays i feel are very strong. i’m applying for the april deadline. what are my chances?
    thanks,

  • Linda Abraham

    Adel,

    CBS deadline is one week away. If you haven’t started it is probably too late to put together a really good application if you are only starting now. (I’m sorry I didn’t respond earlier; I was taking some time off.)

    If you are considering a late application and have more than a week to apply, realize that the school frequently is probably looking to "round out" and diversify its class. If you are from a common sub-group, I would say wait. If you are from an uncommon group and particularly if you are a little older, then applying late, given that you missed an earlier application, is a feasible option. Never plan to apply late.

  • Linda Abraham

    Jim,

    Your company’s sponsorship could make you more attractive for the Jan term, which is geared towards those who don’t need an internship. Obviously,if you are sponsored, you have a job when you finish. You are the kind of person the J-term program is aimed at… assuming you have all the other qualifications.

  • Linda Abraham

    Stuart

    My apologies I have taken several days to respond. I was taking some time off.

    Your GMAT will be an issue at CBS and if you can raise it, doing so will help your chances there. Your medical background does not say much either way about your quantitiative skills and unfortunately your GMAT score will raise concerns about them. As you note your experience is a plus, but if you want to improve your chances of acceptance, raise your GMAT quant score.

    Yes, we do have a special consuting and editing program for CBS described at http://www.accepted.com/services/servicesdetails.aspx?serviceid=237 .
    Although the package is the same, obviously we would gear our advice towards the J-term program. A key element in admissibility to the J-term program is your employment prospects upon graduating. It doesn’t sound like you are a career changer, but you are clearly a location changer. You will need to convince them that you have the background and the connections to pursue your goals without an internship.

    We would be happy to help you do so.

    Regards,
    Linda

  • Linda Abraham

    Ram,

    You have a competitive profile for Insead, Oxford, and IMD. Those are excellent programs and if they support your goals, particularly if those goals have a European flavor, you haven’t provide a good reason for waiting.

    If you choose to apply in the US, Wharton would be an unlikely admit, but you have a competitive profile for NYU,Cornell,Duke,and UNC.

    Good luck!

  • Linda Abraham

    Lapaz,

    I am sorry to be discouraging, but unless there are some unusual and very compelling aspects to your application, I am afraid that the low GMAT and the late date of application make an acceptance at this time unlikely. On the positive side, you can apply now and work to improve your profile for next fall with a higer GMAT and an earlier application.

  • Ram

    Thanks Linda…

    To debrief more i have strong academic background with GPA 4 from my UG.This is my second GMAT attempt(690).Shud i re-write it to apply to schools ike columbia and Wharton?

    I am interested in Finance and i will be changing my domain, that was why i was concenred to Insead and IMD as they are known for thier general management programe.
    IF i am applying to Stern,Cornell…
    Can u share some points which might improve my chance of acceptance.What kind of community service will be appreciated?

  • Linda Abraham

    You don’t need a more than a 690 to show you can do the work. If you are an Indian IT guy, you may need more than a 690 to compete within your cohort at schools like CBS. For Wharton, it seems to me that they are aiming for applicants with less experience. Your story and experience would have to be extremely compelling in the context of Wharton’s applicant pool to gain an acceptance there. CBS is almost as competitive, but I don’t think it is quite as intent on a younger class.

    Insead sends a lot of grads into IB and finance so you are correct that both IMD and Insead have a gen mgmt curriculum, but the latter also can help you transition if you enter the Jan term which allows for an internship.

    At the same time, I do think the US programs are better for career changers , because of the longer summer internship. Both Stern and Cornell will help you transition into finance. Tips for Cornell and Stern can be found on their application tips pages at http://blog.accepted.com/acceptedcom_blog/2006/9/11/cornell-johnson-2007-deadlines-and-essay-questions.html and http://blog.accepted.com/acceptedcom_blog/2006/9/12/nyu-stern-2007-deadlines-essay-questions-and-tips.html .

  • Nico

    Hi Linda,
    Thank you for all your comments, they are useful.

    Here is my profile:
    31 years old, french
    Graduated from a French Business School (Grande Ecole) (no detailed grades)
    8 years of work experience in External and internal audit, mainly in advertising companies. (now working for a global group, responsible for the EMEA region)
    I am also a certified internal auditor
    GMAT: 710

    I don’t expect my essays to be great as I am not an outstanding writer, and my extra curricular activities are weak.

    I want a MBA to re-orient my career towards general management instead of finance and control management.

    Do you think I would be competitive at LBS (last round), INSEAD, and Columbia (Januray entry).

    Thanks for your opinion.

    Nico

  • Linda Abraham

    Nicco,

    Since you are a career changer, the CBS J-term program is not the best one for you and I am not optimistic about your chances there. Insead does have an internship possibility for those who start in January, so you have a chance at both LBS and Insead, although your late application could hurt you at LBS.

    Your GMAT is competitive and the Grand Ecole is a well-regarded school. So those are pluses. Your experince also sounds like it has an int’l componenet and that too is a plus. Lack of community service is a weakness.

    I am concerned that you believe your essays will be weak. They can really hurt your chances if they don’t present you well. Accepted’s staff would love to help you write essays that reflect you well.. Please see http://www.accepted.com/services/mbaservices.aspx .

  • Rajesh

    Hi Linda,
    I am from the so-called Indian IT applicant pool. My GMAT score is 710 (Q49, V37). I have a GPA of 3.5 in Computer Science from a not-so-well-known university in India.Have 5 years of Exp with 2 top companies…and 3 years of it in the Telecom domain.Lot of international experience, especially east asia and Eastern Europe. I live in Europe now.

    I plan to apply to Wharton, Haas, MIT, Tuck Cornell, Tepper. What do you are my chances?

  • Rajesh

    Just to add to the above, I plan to aply this fall and probably should be ready with everything in time for Round 1. Don’t know if that will better my chances.
    Thanks a lot in advance, Linda.

  • Linda Abraham

    Rajesh,

    You have a competitive profile for all the schools. Your most likely admits are at CMU and Cornell, but with good essays, recs, and interviews, you have a chance at all on your list.

  • Ram

    Hi Linda,

    This is Ram, can u tell my chances for schools like Chicago GSB, Kellogg, Stanford, UCLA in addition to the schools discussed before.

    Thanking you,
    Ram

  • Rajesh

    Thanks a lot, Linda.

  • tradingthin

    Hi Linda,

    First of all I want to thank you and kudos to the service you provide. I am a 31 yr women orignally from India (surprise surprise) who has lived most of my adult life in the US, did my undergrad at a small private school with a 3.69 GPA (in biology). I’ve worked for nine years in a commodities trading, most of those years on the trading floor and also got to work for about three months each in the U.K. and Switzerland through the course of my job. And I have again begun comtemplating an mba after being laid off.

    I took the gmat in ’97 after graduating college (yes, a long time ago) and got a 640. I am going to take it again, feel slightly more stupid this time around. I am wondering if you could give me any feeback as to if I "qualify" for columbia or are my chances really just hanging on scoring 690,680,710 or above on the dreaded gmat.

    Hoping for speedy response.

  • DannyBoy

    Hi,
    I applied to CBS in last stage, only few days before deadline.
    My profile:
    From India
    UG from famous Indian College (GPA:3.9)
    Worked in Software Industry for about 7-8 years
    Lot of non-profit experience
    GMAT score: 720

    What are my chances?
    Is there any other school whose full time program is open for admission?

  • Linda Abraham

    Ram,

    You would probably be better off with a higher GMAT at these schools considering your demographic and are more competitive at the other schools you mentioned. Also, Stanford and UCLA are actively recruiting younger applicants, so your level of experience may not be what they are looking for.

  • Linda Abraham

    You’re welcome Rajesh.

  • Linda Abraham

    Tradingthin,

    You’re most welcome.

    The GMAT is an important element in an application evaluation. You have good work experience, int’l experience, and a strong undergrad GPA. The higher the GMAT score, the better your chances, but you want to be minimally above the 80% range for CBS’s applicants. I think that is a 660 at CBS, and the more above that number your score is, the better.

    Good luck!

  • Linda Abraham

    DannyBoy,

    You certainly have a competitive profile, but your chances would be much better in an earlier round. LBS (4/27) and CMU (4/30) are still accepting applications, but it would be tough to put together an app in this short a time.

    consider 2008. You may be interested in the info at http://www.accepted.com/mba/2008AdmissionsTelethon.aspx .
    Good luck!

  • Ram

    Thanks Linda for ur valuable advice…
    Considering the facts given by you, i am going to target schools like NYU,Cornell,Duke,UNC,Insead,IMD and i would be grateful if you could give me ur opinion whether i would be competitive for the following schools TUCK,Darden,HAAS,Ross.

    I like to thank you once again…

    Regards,
    Ram

  • Ravi

    Hello Linda

    Thank you so much for taking the time to answer our questions. You are providing all of us with a wonderful service despite your busy schedule.

    I am a 30 yr old male with an engineering degree from India(low GPA:3.0). I scored in the 97th percentile on the GRE and got a full scholarship to pursue an M.S. from an American university(GPA:3.6). My GMAT score is 770(Q50/V44). I have worked in the IT industry for the last 6 years for an American company.

    I am an avid traveller and also have significant community service experience.

    I would like to get an MBA degree to switch careers and would like to focus on Mgmt Strategy and Finance.

    Given my low undergrad GPA, relatively advanced age and common profile, do I stand a realistic chance at Columbia/Kellogg/Wharton/Chicago GSB or should I focus more on schools like Cornell/CMU/Ross/Duke/NYU ?

  • Randy

    Hi Linda, around what date can we expect the application for Fall 2008 to come out? Thanks!

    Randy

  • nick

    Hi Linda,

    What if you have failures on your undergrad record, but have shown dramatic improvement afterwards?

  • Linda Abraham

    Ram, thank you for your feedback. Please consider my suggestions as suggestions for greater exploration on your part. I really don’t have enough information above to say whether you should apply or not. And this isn’t the forum for an indepth exchange of information or one-on-one consulting.

    To answer your question about TUCK,Darden,HAAS,Ross, all these schools are friendlier to more experienced applicants. You have a chance at these schools, but your chances are better at programs like Cornell and UNC.

    Good luck!

  • Linda Abraham

    Hello Linda

    Thank you so much for taking the time to answer our questions. You are providing all of us with a wonderful service despite your busy schedule.

    I am a 30 yr old male with an engineering degree from India(low GPA:3.0). I scored in the 97th percentile on the GRE and got a full scholarship to pursue an M.S. from an American university(GPA:3.6). My GMAT score is 770(Q50/V44). I have worked in the IT industry for the last 6 years for an American company.

    I am an avid traveller and also have significant community service experience.

    I would like to get an MBA degree to switch careers and would like to focus on Mgmt Strategy and Finance.

    Given my low undergrad GPA, relatively advanced age and common profile, do I stand a realistic chance at Columbia/Kellogg/Wharton/Chicago GSB or should I focus more on schools like Cornell/CMU/Ross/Duke/NYU ?

    Ravi,

    Thanks for your kind feedback. With your 770 GMAT and significant community service, you certainly stand a chance at all the above. Obviously your work experience also matters and I don’t know about your progression at work at all.

    Also you should focus your goal, strategy or finance, not both.

    Yes you have a chance at Columbia/Kellogg/Wharton/Chicago GSB. Wharton is probably the least likely admit. Obviously your chances are better at Cornell/CMU/Ross/Duke/NYU. I recommend you clarify and refine your goal and then apply to a few schools from the first group and 2 from the second group that best support your goals.

    Good luck!

  • Linda Abraham

    Ravi,

    Thanks for your kind feedback. With your 770 GMAT and significant community service, you certainly stand a chance at all the above. Obviously your work experience also matters and I don’t know about your progression at work at all.

    Also you should focus your goal, strategy or finance, not both.

    Yes you have a chance at Columbia/Kellogg/Wharton/Chicago GSB. Wharton is probably the least likely admit. Obviously your chances are better at Cornell/CMU/Ross/Duke/NYU. I recommend you clarify and refine your goal and then apply to a few schools from the first group and 2 from the second group that best support your goals.

    Good luck!
    Linda

  • Linda Abraham

    Randy,

    You can usually contact CBS in June and ask them if you can use the Jan term application to for the September 08 class. Usually they give you that option. The "real" September 08 application for Columbia usually comes out in September or October.

    Goodluck!

  • Linda Abraham

    Nick,

    This is proably best discussed offline, but you would want to include an optional essay where you discuss the factors that led to the failures, the circumstances that have changed so those factors are no longer at play, and evidence that you know how to perform when thoe factor are not longer relevant.

    Please see http://www.accepted.com/mba/lowstats.aspx .

    Good luck!

  • Curious

    Good evening.

    I’m considering applying in the next couple of years to Columbia ED (I want to apply to a finance heavy school a la Wharton, Columbia, Chicago, NYU). First question: Is Columbia’s early decision pool usually stronger or weaker than the regular pool?

    Profile:

    I have only taken the GMAT once, with just a bit of prep, got a 660, 42/39 split. Had previously taken practice tests and gotten bw 720 and 730, so was discouraged by my results; plan on taking again before I apply. If I were to keep my current score and apply to Columbia or NYU, I would make sure I apply very early in the cycle, and probably ED for Columbia.

    Brief background: Currently Military Officer, work as a deputy budget chief at an Air Force Base, a cross between a job as a controller and acquisition consultant, will have supervisory experience, and likely a deployment (or a one year tour to South Korea) under my belt by the time I apply to MBA school.

    3.7 Undergrad GPA double major Econ/Supply Chain, double minor military studies and international business from respectable Big Ten School; Economics programme study abroad at a solid school in the United Kingdom; AFROTC program – Full Scholarship recipient, Fraternity, multiple part time jobs including fundraising for the university and working in research centers in the business school, club lacrosse. Also currently working towards an MS in Finance and will take the CFA level one before applying to MBA school.

    I know I should take the GMAT again, and I plan on it. But given my current profile, could you tell me where I stand? I’ll answer any other questions about my profile. Could you also give me some other school/general recommendations given what I’ve stated/my profile? Thanks.

  • http://www.accepted.com Linda Abraham

    When I have asked about the relative quality of the differnt applicants pools, I have been told that there is no difference. The defining distinction in the ED pool is that it is — or should be — committed to attending CBS. It’s their #1 choice. For regular decision, the applicants are interested, but they want to see where they get in before committing. My observations of the two pools supports that response.

    If you want to have a good chance at CBS and NYU, retake the GMAT. Both schools take the highest GMAT.

    Although your grades and work experience will be attractive to both schools, I am afraid your current GMAT score is a hurdle to be overcome. If you apply with your current score, I recommend you also consider Duke, Cornell, and Georgetown.

    Good luck!

  • Jimmy

    Hi Linda,

    If I were to apply for the ED round do they look at my years of experience upon applying or my years of experience when i would begin the program (2008). There’s a years difference.

  • Matt

    I have a question about work experience. I have been working for my company for over five years throughout my undergraduate degree and my graduate degree. I believe that I have five years work experience but do business graduate programs look at work after I received my undergrad degree?

    Thanks,
    Matt

  • Linda Abraham

    Jimmy,

    In quantifying your work experience, they will count the work experience until matriculation. In evaluating your work experience qualitatively in comparison to other applicants, they can only examine what you have done prior to application.

    Good luck!

    Good luck!

  • Linda Abraham

    Matt,

    They will consider all your part-time work experience as part-time work experience. Show them that you had significant responsibility and grew a lot in the job, and they will be impressed at your development and time management skills, At the same time, while part-time is better than no work experience, it is extremely diffucult for part-time experince to be as impressive as full-time experience. They are unlikley to view it as the equivalent of 5 years of full-time work experience.

    Good luck!

  • mbaaspirant

    Hi Linda,
    I belong to the common Indian-male-IT pool and will be 34 yrs in Aug. My GMAT scores are 640 & 740 resply. I got dinged at a few schools this month on account of my age. Would you recommend Columbia? Are there any other schools where my age would not be weighed negatively?

    thanks,
    suri

  • Lena

    Hi Linda,

    I wonder if you could help to answer my question.

    I am female, 26 y.o., ukrainian national based in London.
    I was selected for prestigious internship program at major IT consultancy, total 5 year of work experience.

    Not much community involvement, but I have set up my own mini-hotel business in Ukraine.

    I must admit my GPA is quite low, but I already hold degrees in Foreign Languages (Ukraine) and BSc in Business (UK); currently completing masters (not MBA).

    I recently took a GMAT and scored 660 (Q 67%, V 85%). I know that quants look weak, but I also completed course in financial strategy recently. Taking into account my background would you advice retaking GMAT if I plan to apply to Columbia?

    Many thanks for your help,

    Lena

  • tomas

    I’ve heard Columbia is very GMAT oriented. What other schools would you say are GMAT oriented?

  • Linda Abraham

    Suri,

    Look at schools with higher average ages at acceptance. Also consider EMBA programs. Please see http://www.accepted.com/mba/older.aspx .

    Also get feedback on your application to make sure that there aren’t other factors (like unclear goals, generic essays) contributing to the dings. Please see http://www.accepted.com/mba/reapplicants.aspx .

    Good luck!

  • Linda Abraham

    If your GPA is low and your GMAT is low and you want to aim for CBS, it would be worth your while to raise your GMAT. I might waffle on that a little if your grad GPA is high, but you have the time and why give CBS something easy to point to as a reason to deny your application? I recommend retaking it.

    Good luck!

  • Linda Abraham

    All top programs weigh the GMAT heavily. For more on the GMAT, please see http://www.accepted.com/mba/gmatAdmissions.aspx .

    Good luck!

  • SMD

    Hi Linda,

    I had a question regarding the "Indian IT" applicant. You have mentioned several times that the average GMAT for those students is higher.

    I was born in America, but my family is of Indian descent. Currently, I am working in the IT sector. Does that mean I get lumped into the "Indian IT" group?

    I have scored a 690 and am worried that admissions will think that is too low because I have an Indian sounding name. Please let me know your thoughts on this and if you think I need to retake the GMATs.

  • AM

    Hi Linda,

    I am 31, born in Egypt (speak Arabic and English) but have my BS in computer science from a small (not well-known school) American university, have 10 years of experience in as a software engineer (the past three years with one of the top 3 investment banks in the world), and would now like to transition to a career in finance (specifically investment banking).

    I applied to CBS in the third round, and wasn’t admitted. I had my essays reviewed by many seasoned professionals, admissions experts, and current finance practitioners beforehand and they all said my essays were rock-solid fantastic. I had gotten excellent recommendations. My GMAT score was low (630) but I had hoped my professional experience could compensate. I now brought my GMAT up to a 650, but am working on bringing it to a 680 or higher.

    Two questions:
    1. Is it possible for me to rework my career goals to indicate I want to pursue an entreprenuerial career in technology (which is something I am genuinely am interested in addition to investment banking) and reapply for the Jan 2008 accelerated program? Since I would be staying in the same field, I would not need an internship.

    2. Is it even worth reapplying to CBS? Even though I have distinguished career and have worked the past 3 years for one of the top investment banks in the world, I am feeling pretty discouraged by the fact that I wasn’t able to go to an Ivy League school for undergrad and recently found out that the Ivy league schools are by far and large the MOST represented in CBS. Do I have any kind of a reasonable chance?

    Thanks,
    AM

  • AM

    I accidentally clicked the create-post button before proof-reading my post, so please excuse the grammatical errors. I think this blog is great and thank you very much for you time and insight.

    Best regards,
    AM

  • http://www.accepted.com Linda Abraham

    SMD,

    The GMAT is not looked at in a vacuum. If your GPA is lower than average (and your GMAT is lower than average for CBS), then you should retake the GMAT. If you GMAT is very lop-sided, especially if your grades in subjects related to the lower scored part of the GMAT are also low, then you should probably also retake the GMAT.

    The schools can and do distinguish between applicants applying from India and Americans of Indian descent, but realize that the IT sector for American’s is also crowded.

    Good luck!

  • http://www.accepted.com Linda Abraham

    AM,

    Thanks for the positive feedback.

    There are relatively few Egyptians applying to business school. Becasue the schools value diversity, Egypt’s under-representation in the application pool will help you, as will a higher GMAT and applying early. If you can obtain feedback from CBS, then do so, but if you submit a solid app early in the process, I think it is worth the effort. I just can’t guarantee acceptance. :-) In general, if you raise your GMAT, apply early, and have the kinds of essays you believe you have, then it is reasonable for you to apply to top programs, including CBS.

    Realize that for the January term, a key requirement is the likelihood of employment upon graduating. Do you intend to start a new company after you complete the degree? If so, you will also have to explain briefly the change in your career goals. But my main point is that for January you have to make it clear that you don’t require an internship because opportunity awaits you without it. A vague idea about starting a business upon graduation won’t do the job.

    Good luck!

  • Sam

    Hi Linda,

    Do schools like Columbia actually check your references?

    Also, do they do employment checks or just take your word for it?

    Thanks

  • Linda Abraham

    More and more schools run extensive background checks on accepted applicants. I am not sure about CBS, but I believe they do a check on accepted students too. Almost all schools spot-check references.

  • musti

    Hi Linda, I’m 26 years old Turkish male, I am holding a BS in Electrical engineering from a U.S. university, my undergraduate GPA is 3.0 but I earned A in Economics class and a B+ from Management class. My Gmat is 730. I don’t have a work experince, the reason my Gpa is low is I had to work full time during my education, do you think I’m competetive for Columbia Business School? Do I need to take Gmat again, and you think my necessity to work during the school can explain my low GPA.

  • Mit

    Hi Linda,
    I’m at 27 year old Indian male, I have a BE (computer systems) from New Zealand and a PhD from Australia. I am currently a postdoc at UCLA for a year and have been thinking of an MBA. I used to own a software company that lasted one year. Do you think I stand a good shot if I get a good GMAT score? Thanks.

  • sophie

    Hi how are you?

    My overal GPA is 3.8, but the first two years of my career I have gotten not so great grades.. many B’s and a couple of C’s. I can speak perfect spanish, english, french and italian, and basic arabic. I have two and a half years of experience. My gmat scores are 680. And I have done an abroad program for a year in south america, and had really bad grades. A gpa of 2.9. Should I send those transcripts? Or just ignored them. Do you think I would be wasting my money applying to this university? Thank you so much

  • Jerry

    Hello,

    Another GPA question. I’m graduate from a Canadian engineering program where GPA’a above 3.3 are very rare. A’s are rarely given out in Canadian eng programs and most class averages are C’s. Do asmissions committees take these varying standards into consideration?

    Thanks

  • Linda Abraham

    MIT

    I’m sorry it has taken me so long to respond.

    Certainly a good GMAT score will help you, but the admissions process really is a bit more complex than just your GMAT score. If in your research you can demonstrate impact and leadership and you have clear, well-defined goals that are anchored by your experience and require an MBA, then you would have a good shot at the top schools, including Columbia.

    Good luck!

  • Linda Abraham

    Musti,

    If you are 26 and have no post-college full-time work experience, your chances at Columbia are poor, unless there is some explanation for the above. With your 730 GMAT and the fact that you worked full-time, your GPA in a demanding major is not in surmountable obstacles, unless there are some F’s or D’s in there or your grades went down over the course of your college career.

    Good luck!

  • Linda Abraham

    Sophie,

    I think you required to send in all transcripts for post-seconary education. If that is what Columbia requests, then you need to submit the transcript from your year abroad as well as your US experience. Given your high GPA at home, I don’t think the one year of 2.9 will be a big problem.

    Was your GMAT balanced? If it wasn’t, particularly if the quant was low, you may want to take some quant classes.

    Nothing you write above leads me to believe that it’s a waste of money for you to send in an application to CBS, but you didn’t say anything about leadership or work experience. Those factors are very important in MBA admissions.

    Good luck!

  • Linda Abraham

    Jerry,

    I’m sorry it has taken me so long to respond.

    The answer to your question is yes. School are aware of different grading standards in different parts of the world. You can also give your class rank to make it very clear where you were relative to your peers.

    Good luck!

  • James Lachey

    Linda,
    I have a BBA in Accounting & Finance(minor Economics) from a state school. GPA: 3.36 Major: 3.91 GMAT 760

    Worked 2 years at KPMG Transaction Services Advisory and 2 years at Alvarez & Marsal in their valuation group in NY. Currently 26 and will be 27 next August. What are my chances at Columbia or NYU

    Thanks
    James

  • Luigi

    Hallo Linda,
    I am a 29 years old Italian, MS Degree in Mech Engineering from US College, GMAT 740, 4 years work experience in Engineering&Construction company in Oil&Gas. I applied to Columbia J-term 2008.
    Question1: is Columbia awarding scholarships/fellowships to J-term students?
    Question2: given my age, is it a good idea to postpone the start of my MBA to Sept2008 and try to get a fellowship at that time?
    thanks

  • Mohammad Khan

    Hi Linda,
    I did my bba in finance & Accounting from UT. Went to a Community college first year and did horrible, had a 2.3. Went to a University did okay in the first year but had a 3.7 in the last 90 hours. Overall is about 3.45.

    Work for PWC in their advisory practice for couple of years and now working for Exxon Mobil in their headquarters as a Senior Financial Analyst. Had a 710 on my GMAT. (I did high school from middle east and then come here not knowing english, the reason i suffered badly in first 2 years. Had lots of extra cirricular activities.Was the VP- Corporate Relations of Beta Alpha Psi and lead about 200 members.
    What would be my chances at Columbia.

    Thanks,
    Mohammad

  • Sam Joseph

    Linda,
    I did my ugrad in Accounting from U. of Florida. GPA: 3.69 GMAT 680

    Worked for BearingPoint in DC in their operation practice. since 3.5 years. Good Extra cirricular activities. Should i apply for Columbia in their ED round. Is it worth a try?

  • Jesse

    Dear Linda,

    I am Chinese male applicant. I worked for 6 years as a consultant and led a few regional IT projects in middle-east, singapore, and south asia. My gmat is 720(Q51,V35), GPA is about 3.5. I assume a profile of middle-east + asia can add some points to my application in this fall. I have some pretty special ex-curriculum activities, such as being a pretty well-known fashion model and choreographer during the past years in china and singapore. Could you advise my chance for columbia ED, Wharton, tuck, duke, and darden. Appreciate it :-)

    -Jesse

  • Ann

    Hi Linda,
    I just turned 33 and have an unusual background.

    GMAT: 750 (V 97%; Q 86%) AWA 6.0

    Undergrad – transferred into a top 25 liberal arts college with language degree and some coursework in business and economics (C in stats – taking course this summer to compensate) – 3.55 overall GPA

    Post-undergrad:
    2 years with NGO (abroad) – promoted after first year
    1.5 years under regional CFO of international law firm (abroad)
    1.5 years of international travel, studied Spanish
    .5 year return to US, job search, and temp work to transition to the healthcare sector
    5 years with US-based hospital research and consulting firm – promoted twice; director by title with cross-program facilitation responsibilities, project leader and one direct report.

    My future plans are to enter into global healthcare services post-MBA, and I plan to invest my time this fall into building relationships and networks to prepare myself for employment post-MBA

    I wish to enter a full-time program as soon as I can and am starting on applications for the Jan 2008 intakes at Columbia, IMD, and INSEAD. What are my chances? Any advice on strategy / issues I should address?

    Thanks!

  • Linda Abraham

    James,

    You have a competitive profile for CBS and NYU.

    Linda Abraham

  • Linda Abraham

    Luigi,

    Question1: is Columbia awarding scholarships/fellowships to J-term students?

    Yes.
    Question2: given my age, is it a good idea to postpone the start of my MBA to Sept2008 and try to get a fellowship at that time?

    Why don’t you apply now and see what kind of financial aid you get now? If you don’t get the financial aid, then you can apply for Sept. ’08.

    If you would like help with your CBS app for J-term, please let us know.

    Good luck!

  • http://www.accepted.com Linda Abraham

    You have a competitive profile for CBS and other top programs. Just explain that when you were at the community college you were still struggling with the language.

    Good luck!

  • pramod

    Hi Linda. I’ve been interacting with you on BW forums and have bought some of your ebooks. They are fantastic!

    My back ground:

    Indian
    work : jeweller, family business, 400-500 employees
    undergrad : average 55%
    gmat : 640 (Q 46, V 32)
    essays: I believe I can show maturity, leadership, team work and achievements.
    schools : CBS, kellogg, emory ( all accelerated programs). Good reasons for wanting an MBA and why this bschool.

    currently planning to apply to just CBS for Jan 2008 intake.

    My main worries are:

    1. considering that I’m not from a big pool of IT indians, is my GMAT good for CBS?

    2. Not much extra curriculars. in fact very little. Is it a major weakness of the application?

    3. can I ask my client or supplier to write a recommendation?

    4. is my application timing ok?

    soory for asking so many questions. Thank you so much.

    Pramod

  • Mit

    Linda,
    I have a PhD, postdoc experience in biomedical research. Also, for one year, I had my own venture. I am thinking of applying to columbia. However, I do realise that columbia has a strong finance background and was wondering if my biomedical background would harm my chances.

  • Linda Abraham

    Sam,

    The details will determine whether you get in or not. Your GMAT is a little low for CBS and your GPA is good, but not from a top school. If your work experience shows a higher than average level of achievement, give it a try. Good luck!

  • Linda Abraham

    Jesse,

    You have a competitive profile for all the programs. I would say your chances are best at Tuck, Duke, Darden, but you certainly have a decent chance at all of them. Good luck!

  • Linda Abraham

    Pramod,

    Thanks for the feedback on our ebooks.

    To answer your questions:

    1) I don’t believe that your GMAT and undergrad GPA are competitive for CBS.

    2) Lack of extra-curriculars is a weakness. No question.

    3. Yes, your client or supplier can write a recommendation?

    I really think you need to look at other programs with lower average GMATs and GPAs if you want to have a serious chance. Since you specifically want one-year programs, check out Terry and European programs.

    Good luck!

    Pramod

  • Linda Abraham

    MIT

    No. In fact CBS has strong ties to pharma firmS, but you need to show how your background when combined with an MBA will help you achieve your professional goals.

    Good luck!

  • romeo

    Hi Linda,

    This is Romeo with 690 in GMAT from India,Male,software industry with 7 years if IT experience from a top IT Company.I am planning to apply to Insead and IMD as the admission cycle is open now. Can you please tell me how is my chances as i am applying in the last stage. I also have an excellent undergraduate records.

    Thanks in advance.

  • Linda Abraham

    If you have international exposure and management experience, you have a chance at both programs. Make sure you read the recent IMD interview on pagalguy.

    Good luck!

  • Jim

    Linda,

    I graduated from Yale with a 3.2 (with significantly higher grades in the 2nd half of college) in Economics and scored a 700 on the GMAT, and am considering applying to CBS for 2008 admission. By fall of 2008, I would have 3.5 years of work experience at a non-prestigious investment management firm. I think I would have at least one strong employer recommendation, which would be coming from a CBS alum, and potentially one from a very well-known and active CBS alum. I am also awaiting my results on Level III of the CFA Exam. Additionally, I believe I have strong arguments for "why CBS" vs. other MBA programs.

    Despite what I perceive to be less-than ideal work experience and not a great undergrad GPA, do you think my profile would be competitive in 2008?

    Thank you in advance – this board is a great help!

  • Shaun

    Hi Linda,

    I’m actually looking to apply to the Columbia-London EMBA-Global, Chicago part-time, and Wharton EMBA programs. Based on my stats below, what are my chances of acceptance?

    GMAT – 720 (73% Q / 98% V), 6.0 AWA

    Employment – 5 years, currently employed as a Six Sigma Black Belt, and I assist our sales offices throughout the U.S. with process improvement projects. I’ve saved our company $12 million with two of my own projects. A representative at Columbia felt my experience was more mature than most folks five years out of college.

    GPA – 3.42 in my first major in piano performance through a community college; 4.00 as a finance major from a state school branch; blended GPA of about 3.65.

    Credentials: Certified Management Accountant, Certified Financial Manager, Certified in Production & Inventory Management, Chartered Mutual Fund Counselor, and I passed Level III of Chartered Financial Analyst exam

    Other – I have community and volunteer experience from my undergraduate days, and I’m a member of Mensa.

    This has been a great blog. Thanks for your help!

  • Linda Abraham

    Jim,

    I think CBS would be a stretch, but I don’t think you would be crazy to apply. Just be realistic and also apply to other programs that suit your needs too.

    Thanks for the feedback. Good luck!

  • Linda Abraham

    Shaun,

    Clearly your amount of work experience is on the shorter end for the CBS-LBS program, but it’s still in their 80% range.

    You have a competitive profile for all 3 programs. Your most likely admit is the Chicago part-time program,but with good essays, recs, etc. you have a decent shot at all 3.

    Thanks for the feedback on the blog.

    Good luck!

  • Daniel

    Hi Linda,
    I just found this page and it’s really useful. I’m just finishing off my application for the Columbia J-term and wanted to know if you knew if any fellowships were being offered for that and whether I’d be eligible (whether through nationality or academic record).

    I’m 27, British, and have been working as an aerospace engineer for four years, two designing spacecraft and another two working on the new 787. I love aerospace and plan on staying in it, hence the accelerated program although I may look for work in the States, rather than the UK, after the degree (if I get in!).

    I got an upper second class (2:1) Masters Degree in Aeronautical Engineering from Imperial College London and somehow managed to get a 770 in the GMAT and 6 on the AWA.

    Thanks in advance,
    Daniel

  • Linda Abraham

    We don’t usually advise on financial aid issues, but to my knowledge J-terms applicants have access to fellowships.

    Sorry I can’t be of more help.

    Linda Abraham

  • tim

    Hi Linda,

    If you’re getting paid for extra-curricular work (eg GMAT instructor) does it still count?

    Thanks

  • Linda Abraham

    It counts as a part-time job.

    Good luck!

  • ChristopherW

    Good Afternoon Linda,

    Like everyone else, just wondering what my chances are at acceptance to Columbia (ED).

    24 year old White Male.

    College: BA Biology, BA Psychology from SUNY Binghamton
    GPA 2.8 (Failed Organic Chemistry twice, finally got a B-, but they dont replace Fs)

    held leadership positions in an organization throughout college, including executive board.

    GMAT: 720 (Q44,V45, AWA 6.0)

    Work Experience (concurrent):

    1 year full time in Publishing (production assistant)
    1 year part time Export Trading company, dealing with Middle East market.(operations manager)

    Created, update and maintain website for a comic strip I created. generate revenue from ads, and starting t-shirt line this month.

    Thanks, this is a very informative post.

  • Pavinee

    Hi Linda,

    - I was born and raised in Thailand, but got an undergrad in Busienss MIS at University of Kentucky (Overall Gpa 3.54 , Major GPA 4.0, cum laude and departmental honors)

    - GMAT 680 (I’m having problem taking test, this is my 4th time, while 1st time i got 530!) (low verbal high quant)

    - 3.2 years work experience (2.2 yrs at a leading publishing firm in nyc as a marketing analyst and 1 yr (current) at Top brokerage firm as business data analyst and was recently promoted to senior strategy analyst within a year)

    - I am a partner in a family business – backpack manufacturers in Thailand that I am currently a lead bag designers (communicate thru online/phone). I also previously set up a job training program at the company helping out underprivilage women.

    - 1 yr volunteer experience and developing volunteer program/fund raising at my current company.

    I’d really appriciate if you would please help evaluate my chance at CBS for early decision Fall’08?

  • Linda Abraham

    You certainly have a chance at CBS. Your experience is strong and not particularly common. Your background is distinctive. Your undergrad grades are competitive. Your GMAT, as you know, is a little low.

    I suspect that if you apply ED to CBS, they will move you to the regular pool. No harm in trying for ED though if CBS is your first choice.

    I also believe you should apply to additional programs and not count on CBS. Give it your best shot, but look at other programs that will also serve your needs.

  • Pavinee

    Hi again Linda,

    Thank you so much for your fast response!

    - So would you recommend that I may have more chance during first round instead of ED for CBS?

    - Should I retake GMAT and get the
    score up to 700+ to guarantee my chance?

    - One thing I forgot to mention was that prior to my bachelor degree at U of kentucky (took 2.5 yrs to graduate), I went to a #1 college in Thailand for 1.5 yrs, but had to dropped off for a year because I had suffer ulcer. My grade at this old college is around 2,5. Would this possibly work against the fact that I later tried so hard and graduate with honors at U of Kentucky and being able to get good job in the US as I am a foreigner?

    - I’m also planning to apply to Yale, Wharton, Harvard, U Chicago, and NYU. How are my chances in getting into any one of these? (I think Yale and harvard will like the fact that I am an entreprenuer, volunteer experience, trying to help out poor people in my country etc? While NYU may appreciate my diversity background and the fact that I live/work in NY? How should I word these to my advantage?

    Linda, I really want you to know how much I appreciate your help. Hope you have a wonderful day.

    Thank you so much in advance!
    Pavinee

  • ChristopherW

    Good Afternoon Linda,

    First, let me say that this blog is very informative, and I really appreciate the feedback you give everyone. I know I’ve learned quite a bit.

    My Background is as follows;

    GPA – 2.8
    BA Biology, BA Psychology
    (two Fs in Organic Chem II. Finally got a B-, but they dont replace Fs).

    GMAT 720 (44Q,45V, 6 AWA)

    Four years in leadership positions in college, including treasurer of a prominent group on campus.

    1year full time in top Publishing house in NYC (production assistant)

    1year part time Export Trading Company, dealing primarily with Middle East (Operations Manager)

    1year operating a website for a comic strip I created. Starting a t-shirt line this month

    All of my work experience is concurrent. So I would have 2 years in each if I started school in Fall ’08.

    Does not having several years of experience hurt my cause?

    Also, how would my GPA factor in? Obviously it is very low, but this is due mainly to one subject which I eventually overcame.

    What would my chances be for CBS ED?

    Would there be any downside to re-applying next year if I don’t get in?

  • http://www.accepted.com Linda Abraham

    Pavinee,

    To answer your questions:

    1) Yes.
    2) If you feel you can raise your GMAT without an inordinate amount of effort and you really want to attend CBS, then it makes sense to retake. I can’t guarantee that it will make the difference, but a higher GMAT score never hurt anyone. ON the other hand if you have taken the GMAT multiple times and you don’t feel you can raise it, then just apply with the 680 and focus on other aspects of your applications.

    3) Since you did well at Kentucky and there was a "reason" for your poorer GPA in Thailand, as long as you tell them you had health problems, it shouldn’t nix your application.

    4) They will all like the fact they don’t receive many applicants from Thais, that you have entrepreneurial and NFP experience. Your job will be to explain why you need an MBA and how their program will help you achieve your goals. How to use these to your advantage? The answer takes more time and space than a forum will allow, but the ebook MBA BlastOff (http://www.accepted.com/ecommerce/blastoff/blastoff.aspx ) and the book Great Application Essays for Business School (http://www.accepted.com/Ecommerce/MBA/applicationessay.aspx ) will help you use your strengths to good advantage. In addition there are a lot of articles both on the accepted.com web site and this blog that might help you.

    You’re most welcome. Good luck!

  • http://www.accepted.com Linda Abraham

    Christopher,

    I am not optimistic about your chances at CBS ED with a 2.8, unless you take classes now in business related subjects and ace them.

    Your lack of work experience is a weakness, although it seems like you have tried to cram in a lot of work in a short period of time. Schools would judge it based on your impact, leadership, and the insight and maturity you show in your essays, not to mention how what you have done relates to what you want to do.

    Good luck!

  • ChristopherW

    Thanks for your feedback Linda, I appreciate it.

    I plan on taking courses regardless of whether I get in or not, as I would feel better prepared. I am confident I can do well, as my sub-par grades were more a reflection of laziness, which I have overcome.

    Is there any harm in applying this year anyway? Would it be better in the adcom’s eyes if I wait and apply next year instead of applying both this year and next?

  • Linda Abraham

    There is no harm in applying this year to CBS. None at all. If you need to reapply, this year’s application will provide you with an educational experience and next year you will be showing "commitment" by reapplying. Plus, if they decide to accept you, you will come out a winner in the process.

    Good luck!

  • Pavinee

    Hi Linda,

    I just wanted to thank you very much for your help and let you know how wonderful what you’ve done here helping us. I’ll work very hard to get in to school of my dreams and follow your advice. Thanks so much!

    Pavinee

  • Linda Abraham

    You’re most welcome. Thanks for the lovely comment. If you need help, please think of Accepted and when you get in, please let us know.

  • Need help

    I stumbled on this website while researching on google. After reading all the blog, I just cannot resist asking your frank assessment of my chances.

    My Background is as follows;

    GPA – 3.2 Double major in Economics and computer science – Liberal arts Women’s college in the US

    GMAT 660 (Taken three years ago, will retake in September)

    Asian Canadian living/working in Hong Kong.

    Three years in Regional Position (Asia Pacific) at International Corporate Investment Bank. In Finance/Control and Product function.

    One year of relationship management at regional corporate bank handling international broker/dealer client.

    I am planning to apply early decision. I undestand my GPA is a bit lower, but I hope to get a 700 when I retake the test. There may be quite a few candidates with similar banking experience, but I am hoping to set myself apart by emphasizing the fact that I have experience in many different functions, through regional roles have a top down view of the regional operations of one of the largest financial institute of the world, and therefore have a firm grasp of what I want to do after I graduate.

    I plan on returning to Finance after I graduate. I hope to broaden my finance knowledge and buildup my network through the Columbia MBA.

    Your advice is much appreciated.

  • Linda Abraham

    I think the higher GMAT is vital to the success of your application efforts. If you have a 700+ GMAT, then you will be a competitive candidate. If your GMAT stays close to where it is, I am afraid that CBS is a stretch and unlikely admit.

    In either case, also look into other programs that meet your needs and that will value your experience even if your academic stats are not quite as shiny as some other applicants.

    Good luck!